Hello everyone this is Tonya Dawn Recla, your Super Power Expert, and I’m thrilled today mostly …so I just have to say this gentleman and I…we kind of operate in concentric circles and so we always migrate into the same spaces. So while I’ve known of him for years this is my first opportunity to be able to really delve into this interesting space that he plays in. His name is Zen Benefiel and, as with most of the people that we bring on the show, he kind of operates in two different worlds and merges those together in a really cool way.

We’ll go into dimensions and realms later. But Zen is a hypnotherapist through the Southwest Institute of Healing Arts, certified life coach, but he also operates in the business world. And so he’s also a life/business coach and helps facilitates partnerships and as he describes the kind of nuts and bolts types of thing. I’m going to go out on a limb and say of course he fuses that with his own self growth and you know processes that he’s developed. And so I’m excited to have you on the show, Zen, thank you for joining us.

Well thank you very much, I’m really gonna enjoy being here. I am already. I love your use of concentric circles, I kind of see it as a ‘thoughtmosphere’.

I love that. I love that.

And spiraling around in that, we all do. We’re all connected so we just got to figure out how.

Yes indeed we are and with all the rest of our guests I’m going to just kind of throw you in and ask you what are your Super Powers?

Well I have to say my greatest Super Power is vulnerability.

I like it.

And what that does it allows everything else to come to the surface as necessary. You know I’ve been aware and sensitive since I was a kid and operated you now I call them the “Clair-Alls”.

I love it.

And of course only my hairdresser knows for sure and you know those kinds of things make themselves available when you do.

Oh I love the Clair-Alls , that is priceless. I absolutely going to quote you on that one.

Please do.

So describe to our listeners what you’re talking about with all that.

Oh the Clair-Alls and the thoughtmosphere and all that?

Yep.

Well you know and your listeners are probably aware of there is many senses that we have. I do self-development and self-awareness workshops as well. One of the things I mentioned to kind of put things in a mathematical perspective, okay we’ve got 5 senses and 10% of our brain, right? That’s the accepted access. What’s the other 90% doing? And is it possible that there are 45 more senses? If you just do the math.

So with that there’s from my experience I’ve found there’s multiple layers of consciousness. There is a great guy in the 50’s named William Swygard that developed the technique couple of them actually, multi-level awareness and multi-plane awareness. In the multi-plane which is the meditation that Nicole has been listening to recently actually takes an experiencer through 9 planes of consciousness. Well if you relate that back to the statement I just made about the math and about the ratios, those five senses can be displayed throughout those 9 other planes in finer and finer ways. It’s kind of like the electromagnetic spectrum. We start out at a very high almost a very fine sense if you will and then gradually condense into form through those multiple planes. And when one has the opportunity to experience that it is a profound life changing awareness for lack of a better.

That sounds amazing.

Did that answer your question well?

Absolutely and you speak of Nicole Kauffman —— I always joke and say she’s our poster child for the NET. She’s absolutely one of the most determined people I’ve ever met with regard to her own evolution and she’s currently our Public Relations Coordinator. So big shout out to Nicole for connecting us with Zen and getting him on the show.

I like the differentiation between places. We were kind of joking earlier I said you were playing in kind of two different worlds and I think in that conversation throws some people off. For me I find it extremely comforting actually in an interesting way. The discussions I’ve often encouraged people to look at themselves you know multi-dimensional beings and you know…

There’s actually math and science that backs that up when we begin to explore and look and those things are made relevant as we begin to understand them and apply them. You know the greatest thing we can do is ask better questions.

I advise that too.

Every question has an answer.

I like that and ironically where that really started for me, specifically, was in the counterintelligence world and so it was really long before that educationally that really solidified that as a valuable tool in the counterintel world and you started to realize that you know perspective is just about everything and the only way…

It’s how you think.

Yes it’s a powerful tool. So talk to me about how you incorporate some of this in the business coaching and stuff that you do.

Well years ago I had the opportunity to get, not just one, but two Master’s Degree in Business. One is in Project Management and the other is in Organizational Management. So by understanding the soft skills and the hard skills, I guess if you will for lack of better. The hard being, okay here is the structure you have to work with, right here’s how people, places and things work together. Most people know it as – in my world know it as a work breakdown structure or a critical path schedule or something like that where projects have all of their elements put into one theme, if you will, and each one of those they may not be continued. They may not be all running after each other. Some of the things happen simultaneously if you’ve got a project.

Like one of the things that I – projects I just did was a partnering workshop in the McAllen, Texas for a centralized processing center for unaccompanied alien children. It was for Homeland Security, speaking of counterintelligence. You know there’s multiple activities that are happening simultaneously and each one of them has a different timeline that they will take in order to complete. Some of them, you know, make take the entire project, others may only take a few weeks and then those build up on each other and you’ve got different people doing different things during that period. And then it all works, ultimately, in harmony – duh – as the project comes to collision. Now those are really you know talk about nuts and bolts kind of things. It’s construction work.

Right.

Right so I have the opportunity to talk about how we think, how we act, how we behave towards each other, how we resolve issues, how we learn how each other prefers to be communicated with and their preferences for problem-solving methodologies and all those kinds of things. So when I stand in the middle of the room and I completely open up and I become vulnerable to all of those people. Then the right questions come up and I can also pay attention to how they’re looking at each other, the body language, all of those things (you know the NLP stuff that usually gets swept under the carpet). But those kinds of things also really make up a powerful scenario for moving people into what I call ‘jobarchy’ which is the jobs, the boss, and everybody wins, and so the ego transforms to “we go” and everybody benefits.

I love your creative use of terms.

I’ve had years. You know I was adopted, I was actually orphaned as a baby and adopted at 6-weeks and my parents, my mother, my adoptive mother, was an English Lit teacher in junior high and dad was a plastic injection mold maker tool and die maker basically. And both of them had a knack for developing my vocabulary. They would put words in sentences and expect me to pick it up via context and if I didn’t, they said okay dictionary is in there.

Before Google, right?

Yeah exactly and the English language is so robust fortunately one of your questions, I always favored phrases, one of them I created and it’s, “A point of perspection dances in the balance of the seer’s vision.” Well I combined “introspection” and “perception” to create perspection. It’s got both the inner and outer coagulation that takes place.

I like it. That was your phrase: “The Possibility Coagulator.”

Yeah I can’t claim that. That label was given to me a gentleman named Dudley Lynch years ago and he, wonderful gentleman. He’s written several books one of them was The Strategy of the Dolphin back in the 80’s which became – it’s an organizational management handbook.

Strategy of the Dolphin: Scoring a Win in a Chaotic World 

Yeah I’m quite familiar with that. I got to be honest, the whole coagulation thing, it conjures up the images of Army medics and blood and….

Well sure. Well okay let’s take it to the next level then. Think about condensing into form. So you’re taking all of these thoughts and ideas and possibilities and you’re coagulating them into either a business plan or action plans for personal growth or a project plan for some kind of construct, for whatever industry you might be involved with. I’ve been in aerospace and education, theatre. Now I’m in radio. 2 Small Biz Guys.

I love it.

I do, I love it too. When you demonstrate vulnerability and you can say yes without really knowing where things are going to go, then it boils down to what I think of as the 3 pillars of life and that’s faith, love, and trust. And when you’re in that place then you can be vulnerable and you can deal with whatever comes to you because you don’t have to be hooked into it. That doesn’t mean you won’t be because we are human beings, we have emotional triggers. Some of them are pretty powerful and some of them last lifetimes. However every time they come up then it gives us the opportunity to rise above it yet again and learn something more about ourselves.

Absolutely. So I want to pick your brain for a minute regarding the – I have a blooming bias forming the the majority of people who are awakening to any kind of consciousness or awareness or you know whatever you want to call it, evolution of sorts, knowing of self, tend to have exposure to a number of different let’s say genres or areas of this reality. And I don’t know if it’s just the people that I attract because of the paths that I’ve traversed, but they appear to have had exposure…

That’s a nice point of self-awareness.

Well it kind of throws you for a loop sometimes because it’s hard to make any kind of definitive statement when you’re like, “I’m not sure if we’re living in your reality or my reality or you know which one we’re operating in. Did I create you or did you create me?

But you know taking it down a little bit, I wonder if there is a connection between, you know, the ability to see beyond programmed realities by kind of breaking down all these areas. So for instance you mentioned you’ve been in this area of business and that area of business and, similar to my story, Academia, Corporate America, Government, and Military. Pretty much you’ve checked all the major boxes. Do you find that as well for people who are maybe more impassioned about the vibration frequency conversation that they’ve had those experiences?

Yes. And I find those kind of people in every layer of society and industry that I have been in to date. They pop up kind of out of nowhere and conversations begin and questions are asked and areas are presented and confirmed or validated by shared experience and by being able to have that conversation. And because I’ve been in a lot different places and television as well. You know I did a television show for several years back in the early 90’s and I ask different people the same questions and I learned how to listen to them pretty much say the same thing differently and then reflecting that back. Kind of like active listening where you’re listening to somebody and then you feed it back to them what you think you heard. Then you’re able to say, “Yeah, that’s what I said.” Or, “No, that’s not quite what I meant.” Then you begin to distill the conversation further so that you get clarity.

I find that too and it’s funny you’re bringing up a memory. My husband and I taught counterintel agents empathic listening, taking it even a step further because obviously in the intelligence gathering arena the more you can connect to somebody’s in-group, the more valuable and impertinent the information can become. But that feels like lifetimes ago.

Well and you’re also listening not just empathically, you’re listening with your eyes. I mean you’re looking at their body language, you’re feeling them. Words have energy and when you can get out of your own way and I’m going to go back to the vulnerability place. When you can listen without attachment you can feel much deeper and often times we don’t necessarily, you know as I was growing up and I had all these empathic sensations and yet I was wanting to listen to what the people said and trust that rather than what I was feeling.

Absolutely.

And as I grew up I learned you have to trust your feelings because words can be all kinds of things.

Well especially coming out of the spy arena where we have a ton of evidence of people you know being able to lie with their words, lie with their bodies. Some of the most horrific spies that this nation has seen you know pass the polygraph multiple times. And so that’s what when people come to us now and ask us to teach them things like lie detection, I always caution people that the best approach you have in trying to determine any of that is actually to look for congruence as opposed to lying and to do it energetically. Because very, very, very, few people, at this point in time, (they’re getting better at it) but very few people have learned to lie energetically. So that’s still your best determining mechanism. Now it’s changing obviously energy manipulation is picking up pretty quickly.

Yeah I think when you’re clear that even that doesn’t have an impact because you’re open and you’re cooperating with the Clair-alls, let’s say, you might hear a tone, you might get the flash off an image, you might feel a tickle or twinge in some place in your body, you might have some kind of smell that comes up. These are all things that you are reflecting to yourself from a higher place of consciousness if you will that’s able to seep through.

Correct.

And allow you to understand at greater levels.

I agree completely. I think that accounts for part of my drive for helping people find their own resonance.

What it first starts happening, you think you’re going insane, cause there’s nobody to talk to about it. You got all these things going on inside of you and you think well if I open my mouth and I start asking people about this, they’re going to think I’m nuts.

Absolutely. Yeah and it’s interesting because I did intuitive coaching for a while and what I kept hearing was people needed more, what I call cellular confidence around the fact that other people were living their life in a different way. What they were seeing reflected in their current existence wasn’t necessarily all there was and that accounts for the NET, the membership base. And so part of the challenge was to make sure that you’re got people like yourself vetted, legitimate people really guiding you and at the same time the comfort of the crowd. You know the comfort of knowing it is okay, it is a thing. And there are a lot of people journeying in that way. Up until now I think it’s been a very solitary journey and we’re moving into a real kind of tribal collective.

Yeah I agree and it still is a journey of self first and then you learn to create your tribe. One of the ways that I do it with clients is you know don’t believe a thing I say. Let’s just have a conversation and the universe speaks if you’re listening and it does it a lot through nature. So if you’re out walking or even a back porch or someplace where nature is accessible and there are pieces of the conversation that one who develops their awareness can tell when you get the, I call it Universal Punctuation. So there’s sounds, there’s smells, there’s wind. All these kinds of different things that, if you’re paying attention, are in synchrony with your conversation and when you can begin to be aware of that and point it out, then those are things that help my clients or whoever go forward with just an attitude of oh maybe if I’m more aware of that and I pay attention and become more aware of those kinds of things, that will help me to understand just how clear I am in the process too.

I like that. That’s awesome. What advice would you offer people who are kind of interested in developing their Super Powers? You’re confident about how you use yours. Can you remember when you weren’t so confident, when you were a little unsure about that? What advice you would offer them?

When I first started being clairvoyant it scared the bejeebers out of me. I was in college first time in pre-med program at Ball State University and I was walking in between a cafeteria and the honors dorm and I kept hearing people belittle themselves. And it would always start out with you this or that, you blah blah blah, you know you nah nah. And I thought it was about me because they were saying “you.” So I locked myself up in the dorm room for three days and didn’t come out until a friend of mine came to visit who is also sensitive and he said, “What’s going on, dude?” And I told him what was happening. And he said, “Okay well was that your voice or somebody else’s voice?” I said well it was somebody else’s. He said, “Well, then it wasn’t necessarily about you was it? They were talking about themselves you were just hearing them.” And at that point it’s like wow that just totally makes sense. Now it didn’t necessarily change the activity that was happening but it gave me a way to distance myself from it and not make it so personal.

Did you doubt it after that? Did you kind of go back around to that?

Well what happened was that as I explored it, I began finding other people and we actually created a small group that began experimenting with it and found out there is a lot that’s really goes on. That once we incorporate responsibilities and other things and distractions in life that those things tend to go away, because we refocus rather than remaining open. We become a little more dense, if you will, in our activity. Whereas those kinds of things still can happen and especially when one goes through a transformation of their own. The life-changing event where they got to stop, look and listen and all those kinds of things where they’re reflecting then those things can often come back.

I like that. I like how simplistic you stated that because sometimes I too had kind of an abrupt entrance into the clairvoyance and clairaudience. And so I think it’s easy to freak ourselves out about that. What does it mean? What does it mean about who we are and all these things? So I really think it’s a very matter-of-fact conversation.

You want to get complex? You want to get really complex? Go read the Urantia Book.

The which book?

It’s called the Urantia Book. It’s a 2000 page dissertation on the material and spiritual hierarchy of the universe.

The Urantia Book: Revealing the Mysteries of God, the Universe, World History, Jesus, and Ourselves

That’s a lot of pages.

It’s complicated and yeah there’s all kinds of things. You know if you’re into structure and at least having something of an intellectual exploration into the dynamics of structure and creation and all the different levels and systems and administrators and beings and all that kind of stuff. That will give you that, but how do you make that practical, simple, and apply it in your daily living? That’s really what I like bring it back to. All this stuff is great you can really explore a whole lot of things but it still has to be, I think Einstein even said it, you can create all kinds of complexities, I’m paraphrasing I don’t know the exact phrase that he said doesn’t come to mind. But it’s basically when you can explain things simply is when you have your greatest impact.

I agree. We often use the whole if you can explain it to a 3-year old and, ironically, we did. Our daughter is 6 now, but she’s been growing up with all these concepts and it’s really helped to simplify. And I’ve lived that way. If I can’t apply it practically then…it’s fun and you know I can theorize all day long. But I like the quick easy practical application pieces, which I really do appreciate that process. Can we spell the name of that 2000 page tome please for our host?

Sure. It’s URANTIA book.

Got it. Awesome because I know we have some chomping at the bit going, “Okay, I wanna read that.” And they will. They will go read it.

Be careful.

We attract some seekers.

I first ran into it as a teenager.

Nice that’s awesome. And you’ve been reading it ever since?

Well, I read it cover-to-cover. I’ve read a lot of books, you wouldn’t imagine.

Oh, I believe you.

And those kinds of things all help to make everything else simple, because when you have the math and science and that kind of experiential background, then you can begin to speak things clearly, succinctly, with focus. And it’s highly impactful because it gets through. Because the words that come out of your mouth are more powerful because they contain all of that information.

I like that and I believe that we saw a meme or something the other day and it said, I don’t remember the exact words. But it basically turned this little light bulb on about why they use the word spelling. That your words have power and you’re basically crafting with every word that you speak, you’re creating your world. I never thought about it that way. Spell-ing. It was one of those like really simple, profound, kind of moments. I never put those two concepts together but it makes a lot of sense. We talk about your thoughts become things and the power of our words and our thoughts and emotions and everything.

Well take it back to the old scriptural references right. The Word. That word basically is in your heart. So when you speak in vulnerability, you become more authentic and you realize the power of your words because they produce results.

That feels really good. I love it! Well we do a Live in Your Power segment. Do you have a situation you want to share with our listeners of a time when you kind of got that knowingness, got that hint, and you followed it and what transpired?

Well probably the most impactful was as a teenager when I was having my questions of you know who am I, what am I here for? I know I was adopted. And I already had the history of clairaudient experiences and even some visitations. What I did was I was very emotionally distraught and I hit my knees and I prayed. And I prayed to know what you with truth was and I was willing to die for it if necessary. And I meant it. The following week, I was in Pre-Med program at Ball State University I was just at the beginning of my second quarter, and I tested out of 5 quarters going in. Kind of a brainiac.

Kind of.

And I came back from class and, of course this is back in the 70’s, so I did the obligatory bong hit and album side meditation afterwards. I was listening to the music, it was Journey’s first album called —- a song called In The Morning Day. And actually if you Google messy antics they’ll be quite a bit of stuff come up about it I think. I was listening to this album and then this voice that has been with me since 5-years old called me by name and my given name is Bruce. And it said, “Bruce, are you willing to die for what you believe in?” And I tensed for a moment, I as like oohh ahhhhh. What do I believe in? My first thought was Christ Consciousness and when I thought of it, it felt a little empty still. And so my next thought, just kind of naturally came up, was cosmic consciousness and that felt complete. And I thought yes and then there was a guitar riff that came up to sound like a rocket ship taking off. I left my body, looked at my body laying across my dorm room bed, turned back to look where I was going and before I could get completely turned around, I was immediately engulfed by white light. And it felt complete, totally. I could try to describe it forever and it still wouldn’t be enough. And I recognize the sync, because I knew I could sync, I knew I wasn’t dead.

So the whole idea of death just kind of took a backseat in my consciousness and then I had a few other things happen. I was told what I’m here for. I went into another layer, for lack of better, that had an indigo background. Points of light and I knew that points of light were points of consciousness when you’re in body or not. I wasn’t sure because I knew I wasn’t. And then the voice picked back up and told me yep they are and they’re the ones you’re to work with in order to fulfill your mission.

So after that happened I felt another rush of energy and then I’m back in my body taking a gulp of air. Well at 18 that’s pretty powerful and so for the rest of my life I’ve been looking for you know okay, how do I prepare, what do I need to do, what skill sets do I need, you know what’s the expansiveness of it and of course at that time I had our view of the electromagnetic spectrum. It was less than 1% of the totality. So as I’ve grown and evolved on my own for the past 40 years, there’s been a lot of things that have not only presented themselves but also made sense of how it all fits together and how we operate as individual consciousness and as a collective.

Do you feel like you’re living that mission now?

Absolutely. It’s much different than what I once thought it might be because thought and words have so much more power than what we think they do. That’s why I mentioned the living in the thoughtmosfere. We can ask for things and this is kind of a validation of how things happen. How I got the television show in the early 90’s was I got the opportunity to work as a crew member on a show and I thought to myself, Wow, it would be great to have my own show. And I never said a word about it. But the innocence of which I asked for it within about six weeks I was presented with the opportunity to do so. Without having to say a word.

Yeah and it really is fascinating because we’ve guided so many people through those points at this stage and it really is that simple. And I tell people all the time. You know they say well you know you make it sound like its complex and complicated and I said well it’s absolutely complex, however it’s the easiest thing in the world to do. The challenge is in the choice to not do everything that isn’t in alignment with that. That’s the only, in my estimation, the only quote on quote you know hard part of any of it.

And that’s why I mentioned the 3 pillars, the faith, love, and trust. When you’re in that place everything else just kind of happens.

Yep easily effortlessly. Awesome. Well, that’s a great story. I feel like we could probably talk for days but I do need to wrap this up. Where can our listeners find more about you?

Well several places, one of which is ZenBenefiel.com. I finally got my own domain name and that actually covers everything else. Cause I’ve got multiple domains. I’ve got lots of other things that you can find there. Planetary Citizens, Independent Arizona, Be the Dream. All the team partnering. These are all websites that I built and I even have a little bit of SEO skills. Several of those have first page rankings for keywords.

Perfect. Awesome. I love that and I love what you represent about the blending and the merging of all of those complexities and multi-plane dimensions.

Why not?

I agree. I think I’d be bored otherwise. So I always love to see that affirmed and it’s nice to know that you’re out there doing your thing. I know our paths will cross again. Thank you so much for sharing your insight.

Oh, you’re welcome and don’t walk behind me, let’s latch arms and walk together.

I love that. Very nice. Thank you so much, Zen, for joining us and to everyone out there, as always, we appreciate your loyalty and until next time take care.

Thank you so much.

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