Chad Lefevre and Tonya Dawn Recla have a Most Important Conversation

And today’s conversation is definitely with one of those gentlemen, and we are going to be having the most important conversations. So that teases it just a little bit. But before we jump into that, we need to activate our superpowers, right? And so I’m going to show us all how I think this is a good practice to get into so we’re gonna model here and superpower experts because why not have fun with our existence? Right? And so this is me gearing up to say, I think we can do this. Okay, so I’m gonna model ready. I’m Tonya Dawn Recla. And I have superpowers. Okay, your turn.

Chad Lefevre:

I am Chad Lefevre. And I have superpowers.

I guess if I were to narrow it down to two, I think I have way, way more than two. But one, I think the superpower that I’ve really been mastering over the last 10 years, and that I think is one of the most important superpowers of the next 100 years, is emotional intelligence, or what I would call emotional sobriety, the ability in the age of AI to be able to tap into our emotions and feel again, which is something that’s uniquely human, and another superpower, I would say that I have, that I’ve never quite understood. And it’s difficult to put a name or a word to it or articulation, but I would just summarize it as a knowing that I have this uncanny ability to kind of know where the wind is blowing and the trajectory of things and, and be able to sort of act on it. And so I don’t know what that’s called, but there’s a knowing and intuition, perhaps maybe you would call it that.

Tonya Dawn Recl:

I love that. I love that. And those go really nicely into your kind of purpose. And of course, didn’t capsulate you would be impossible. However you do operate within an organization that compels us to talk about these things like you’re talking about, tell us more about the most important conversation, how are you brought together people to say, hey, look, I think we need to be talking about some other things, or at least maybe in some other ways, right? How did that come about? And goodness, I mean, it is a vision of the kind of world we can all share together. Share that with our audience, please?

Chad Lefevre:

Yeah, well, a little bit of quick backstory is, you know, I’ve been involved for almost 18 years in what we would call, you know, the personal development or the self-help space. Going back to, you know, those early days where I was co-producing a conference in Los Angeles and bringing some of the world’s leading, you know, thought leaders and speakers into sort of closed-door conversations where we were talking about what was working and not working in the industry. And one of the things that kind of bubbled up through that series of dialogues at that time, was that he, you know, the industry existed for the reason that human beings fundamentally wanted to transform something about themselves in the way they live. That’s why it’s there. And there was this disconnect that we observed in those dialogues that many human beings, in fact, were not reliably being able to really kind of transform those areas of their lives. And then that fast-forwarded me into a series of experiences over the years dealing with behavioral scientists, neuroscientists, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I was really curious to get into sort of the source issue of what is it that makes human beings come alive. And one of the things that I concluded from all of this is that we have a society that is addicted to doing and is paying very little tension to who we are as a being. And so we get kind of stuck in these. This inertia, I guess, this energy of doing this fanaticism and we kind of lose ourselves. It reminds me of What many Buddhist monks have said over the years, you know, our objective in life is to remember who we were when we were born. But who was that person, you know, prior to all the conditioning prior to all the systems and the structures? So that was going on. And that was sort of, my journey. And then I started looking about five years ago at the trajectory of where we were going in the world. And how there were just more and more divisions, more tribalism, less conversation, more arguing, and I thought, you know, what, we really need to shift things up and prototype something new for humanity and invite people into it. And so that began the initiative of the most important conversation, which has evolved dramatically over five years.

Tonya Dawn Recla:

Beautiful, I love how you shared that story in a beautiful thread. And I also appreciate the parallels, right? It’s so many of us on these walks field called in to step on those journeys in similar ways that you just described coming from different angles. And so I love how we can find ourselves in that. And so yeah, you know, we, we sent that too, right? And it’s like, oh, enter us. This is kind of where we came into the conversation of like, we were super curious about this aspect as well. And so we developed it over here, right? And I love how these conversations are lighting up. And I believe it’s because many of us made that commitment, just like you got done saying of like, I think we need to be having different conversations and be willing to come together in different ways, right? In our world, it’s managing our energy differently, so we can have the conversation, right? So all of us are sort of contributing to this picture of, but I think we kind of want it and you said something so incredibly powerful, that I think really speaks to today’s age, and why how we’re able to even invite in these dialogues, and it is that conversation around inviting, and being someplace that attracts people in that invites in that that pull marketing, right that we moved to with the internet, we can say what we will. And one of the most amazing thing gifts that it’s offered us is that social media concepts on the internet are its choice. And a really interesting way, right? We all have we talk a lot about the downsides of it. One of the real, real huge positive benefits I’ve seen is, is it puts us back in this place of like, wait, hold on, as I can just click right. Now, of course with the energetics, we have to remember that we have the choice to click right. And that becomes a whole other dialogue. But it opens us up into this space where now you can say like, we can talk about things that we would never dream of talking about together. But to your point, we were doing it anyway, we just weren’t doing it very well, right? We’re just kind of arguing about it. And so we’re gonna save that until right after the break here. But before we jump into the break, Chad, let’s tell people where they can go to find out more about you. And the most important conversation is how they can get involved.

Chad Lefevre:

Yeah, so two places. One is obviously the website, TheMostImportantConversations.com. And then also Chad Lefevre, I have a sub stack that people can go and find more of my personal writings and reflections around sort of what’s behind all of this. 

Tonya Dawn Recla:

Really, I love that. So make sure you go and check that out, folks, make sure you’re also getting over to superpowerexperts.com if you want to know how to stay in that space. So you can have these important conversations, whatever those might be, in your world, those conversations that draw us closer together, rather than dividing us even further, right that that call us into communion, and co-creation so we can step forward together, which, again, is the celebration this month as we’re looking at and celebrating the men of co-creation. And we will be right back after the break talking all about with talking with Chad, let them all about the most important conversations. We’ll be right back after the break.

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