Have you dabbled in energy magick? Have you you ever thought of sex as a vehicle for energetic transmutation? In this episode, SLSP host Tatiana Berindei interviews the founders of Super Power Experts Tonya Dawn Recla and her husband, Justin, about their journey with using sex as a way to transmute energy and to connect more deeply with the divine. In this high level conversation, listeners will get a sense of what is possible in the most expanded realm of sex, as well as tips on how to get startedwhere you are. Stay tuned as you don’t want to miss this exclusive interview with these incredibly high level practitioners!

Hello everyone and welcome to the Sex, Love and SuperPowers podcast show. I am your host, Tatiana Berindei, and today I have two of my favorite people in the world together on the show, Tonya and Justin Recla, and they really need no introduction. We are going to be talking today about Using Sex as Energy Magick. If you are not familiar with Tonya and Justin, they each have their own shows on this network. Tonya runs the Disrupt Reality series. Justin has the Incorporating SuperPowers show. 

Tonya is the founder of SuperPower Experts. Justin is her incredible husband. You can find out all sorts of great information about them on our website SuperPowerExperts.com so I’m not going to go into like a bio read right now because they’re just amazing. I’m going to let their amazingness shine through and speak for itself. And this topic is a juicy one. So we’re going to dive into it. And before we do, I just want to welcome you both and say thank you so much for coming on the show.

Thanks for having us.

Yeah, thanks for having us. This will be a fun conversation.

Yeah it will. So I’m really curious because I’ve never actually, I don’t think the two of you have been on this show together. I’ve had each of you individually on this show but I haven’t had the two of you together. So I’m going to ask what your superpowers are, the entity that is formed when the two of you come together as a couple?

What’s beautiful about our journey is that we clearly started as two individuals on paths that came close together.

Beautiful. Well, I love that you caught yourself there. Because it’s a weird thing, right? It’s kind of a weird thing because people ask us all the time about our relationship and we consciously chose to be in the pursuit of oneness together. And that’s not for everyone. It’s certainly not how everyone starts off a relationship. And so we do silly things like Burning Man. You have your playa name, which is what people call you there.

And so we have a playa ship name and our ship name is Sphinx. Because my play’s name is Phoenix, and so together we’re Sphinx. And so it’s like we’re starting to play with these concepts of oneness and one of the things that I appreciate the most about our relationship is that commitment. And we always know what we’re walking toward, right? The petty stuff comes up or the disagreements come up and it’s like, “Wait, wait, how is this working to what we agreed to do together?” And so we always have that as this compass which I mean it’s just been nothing short of miraculous from my viewpoint.

What’s beautiful about our journey is that we clearly started as two individuals on paths that came close together. And a lot of people will walk side by side, even in marriages for long periods of time, where they’re on a similar path or walking the same path but in parallel, to where with Tonya and I, it really feels like we’re both on that same path, walking in unison. The definition of I, in our language, has continued to die out and it’s transformed into we now. I’ll be honest, it took me longer to get to that place. To get to the we on that path and we’re fully removing the I, but in that space we, we create magic together.

Yeah. You totally do. It feels like to distill down that your collective superpower when you come together it feels like you guys have kind of mastered unity without enmeshment in a partnership, which is pretty rare. I actually don’t. There’s maybe one or two other partnerships that I can think of where I’ve seen that occur and it looked very different than in yours.

That’s a really cool way to look at it.

Yeah. Because enmeshment can get really messy. And we don’t want people to get enmeshed in each other’s stuff. And yet, then there’s the other thing which you referred to earlier where it’s like people are two individuals walking side by side and you guys really have this beautiful, beautiful connection that way.

That’s a really great reflection. I appreciate that. Thank you. As you were talking, what it brings up for me is a lot of what we really focus on in the SuperPower programs, whether we’re working with individuals or couples and it relates to two sides of the same coin.

I think what really, really helped was the recognition that our relationship holds three entities, me, him and then the relationship entity.

So you have attachment, which is that enmeshment piece. Like what you do affects me. And there was a lot of that early on, especially, I can speak from my vantage point because we’re like polar opposites. He’s all things external and vivacious and loud. You know when he walks into a room. And I didn’t necessarily want that kind of attention. So it was like, “Whoa. Calm it down there buddy.” And because of what it meant for me versus like, “Oh, that’s who he is. How do I meet him in that space or do I want to meet him in that space?” Instead it was like, “Wait, wait, what? How did this reflect on me?” And so there was some of that interplay.

And so there’s the attachment components to disentangle, but then there’s also the ego of what Justin was speaking to, which was the separation, the thinking that we are somehow separated. And for that piece of it, I think what really, really helped was the recognition that our relationship holds three entities, me, him and then the relationship entity. And so we let the relationship entity, Sphinx if you will, be something else entirely. And as we did that, it was like, “Wait, that’s far more fun.” Like it’s exponentially more powerful, exponentially more enjoyable, which I’m sure we’ll get into because you know, sex gets to be included in that. And then the individual experience that both of us were having. So it’s just over time it’s just like, “Wait, that feels so much better. Wait, that’s more fun. Why would we do this other thing?” And so there was a neat kind of evolution that occurred there, I think, which allowed us both to be in choice.

Well, and one that we’re able to do in such a way that still allowed us to have our own unique traits but didn’t create any type of co-dependencies on one another.

Yeah.

I got way codependent there for a little bit when he went to Afghanistan. I mean, that was the hardest thing in the world for me because I’d relaxed into this awareness that he was going to be there and I mean I had been single most of my existence. I was really, really good at it. And then here I am, I relaxed into this marriage with this man and finally I’m like, “Okay, here’s this person who’s always going to be there,” and then he was gone. Because he took a contract in Afghanistan. It was our decision, but it was like someone had ripped my heart out. I cried every day he was gone. It was painful.

And of course in retrospect I can see what that was showing me. But we’ve had to play with co-dependencies and measurements and entanglements and all that stuff to see how do you do this in a way where you have two whole entities coming together to make one entity, not two halves make a whole.

Yeah, totally. So, there’s so much that I want to dive into and of course the topic for today is using sex as energy magick because something that I’ve heard you talk about a lot is how you use sex to transmute different energies. So I want to dive into that, but we do have to go to a quick break. And before we do, can you just reiterate where everyone can go to find out more about you and your amazingness?

Sure. Babe, I’ll let you go first on that.

Yeah, absolutely. They can find me at SuperPowerExperts.com under the Incorporating SuperPowers tab. That’s my show, Incorporating SuperPowers. And you can learn more about me there and connect with me.

Awesome. And I’m basically in the same place. I do Disrupt Reality and kind of all over social media. But if you want to engage with us, go to Super Powers Are Real group, and that’s where you can get in touch with our hosts and other people. I’m not as good at interacting there, but if you tag Justin, he’ll make sure I respond to you. He’s good at that.

Part of our agreement.

All right. So we’ll be talking with Tonya and Justin Recla about using sex as energy magick more when we get back. Stay tuned. This is going to be really good stuff so you don’t want to miss it.

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Music Credit: All instruments played by Amanda Turk. Engineered and produced by Tatiana Berindei and Daniel Plane reelcello.com