Cindy Lora-Renard

Cindy-Lora Renard chats with SuperPower Up! to discuss how her knowledge from ‘A Course in Miracles’ laid the foundation for her spiritual awakening. She explains how her international travels, studies, and visionary music talents have helped channel the higher vibrations in her life. Learn more.

Shes got this playful almost fairy-esque energy to her

She’s got this playful almost fairy-esque energy to her.

Hello everybody, this is Tonya Dawn Recla, your Superpower Expert, and I … I have this big grin on my face. I feel like I’m just beaming. So, I’ve had the good fortune of talking to this amazing young woman … I’m going to call you young woman, because your energy feels so … Well, you’re going to feel her. You probably already are feeling her as I’m talking about her. But, Cindy Lora-Renard is just this light. Like, you can feel it. And she’s got this playful, almost fairy-esque energy to her. I think that’s where the young woman piece just came through. But, it’s really refreshing. Not in a “airy fairy” kind of way, but a really grounded, solid, but a nice overlay that, in my opinion, we need more of in the world. And so, I’m really excited to have her on the show, and to promote her stuff.

She and her husband, Gary Renard, travel around the world, teaching people about spiritual awakening.

They talk about, of course, miracles. She has a master’s degree in spiritual psychology. And, again, really impressive resume and bio. And, to me, that pales in comparison to just the essence of who she is. And so, I’m really excited to bring her on the show, and to welcome her. So, please join me now. Welcome Cindy. I’m so glad you’re here with us.

Oh, Tonya, thank you. I feel so light-filled and warm right now with that wonderful introduction. Thank you so much.

Oh, absolutely. I’m just pleased that you chose to come on the show and share a little bit of yourself with us. So, let’s jump right in and ask you, what are your superpowers?

Sure. Well, you know, for quite a while now, I’ve been really working on kind of clearing all my … Making all my senses clear. And I do that, first and foremost, by practicing undoing the ego through a certain kind of forgiveness that A Course in Miracles talks about. What I do, is I channel the love extending through me through my music, through writing, and through A Course in Miracles practices. Those are the three specific forms that I think I use my gifts the most. So, music-

I was going to say, I love the way you use the word “channel”. Like, how long did it take you to be comfortable saying that?

I’ve been thinking of it as a form of channeling for quite a while now. I mean, pretty early on even. Because, what happens is, is when I am allowing love to extend through me, it actually really feels that something is taking over. And, when I get tuned into the Holy Spirit, it’s that love extending through me that actually does the work, does the music through me, does the writing through me, does my speaking through me. And I can see and tell the difference of when it’s just I’m trying to do it on my own, or when the Holy Spirit takes over and guides the whole thing. So, I just … It’s very … It’s pretty obvious to me when that switch happens.

Oh, I love that. And, for those of you … In our speak over here at Superpower Experts, that’s what I refer to as that abstract frequency. And so, I was very clearly guided to put constructs around things that were, you know, maybe not typical … I don’t know where the information came from. But, my experience with it is exactly what you’re talking about. And whether you call it the Holy Spirit, the abstract frequency; there’s many, many, many ways that people describe what that experience is of it. And don’t let … For those of you who perhaps had an upbringing in the church that wasn’t quite … That doesn’t quite bring up pleasant reflections; really feel what Cindy’s talking about when she talks about the Holy Spirit. And so, however that equates to you.

If you’re listening to this show, you have had the experience of being in that flow, that creative energy. And whatever verbiage you need to put on that for your own edification as you move through that into bigger and more expansive spaces, really give yourself the gift of feeling what she’s talking about. Because she’s describing it perfectly. Where you just, you get in … Or, we’ve talked about before, where you get in the river. You know? You just get in the middle of the river, and just go.

Because, if you want to get triggered by things like people talking about the Holy Spirit, or A Course in Miracles, and whatever experience you may have had with that … I know I’ve talked to so many people who’ve had amazing, wonderful experiences with that doctrine. But, I can feel some of you being like, “Whoa!” Or, “Is this going to be a God conversation?” Or, you know, you’ve got all these Catholic school memories. Or, whatever it might be. You know, that’s akin to grabbing the side of the riverbed, of digging your nails into the dirt, and trying to grab on, and realize it’s like, “Just let go.”

Let those aspects go. Let those pieces of your mind go. And just get in the middle of the river, and feel what she’s talking about. Because it’s very powerful as it moves through her, and I know so many of you are sitting on that brink of that spiritual awakening, and you’re hearing things like, “Maybe I’m a healer. Maybe I’m a channeler. Maybe I am this or that.” Or, “Maybe I am an empath.” But hear how that just flows from her. And she’s wiling to give credit to that energy that comes through, without getting caught up in the words. And so, I appreciate you modeling that.

Oh. Well, I’m glad that you said people can use whatever terms they want to call that inspiration that flows through them. And, in A Course in Miracles, “Holy Spirit” is really a way of saying that it’s your memory of God, sort of at the right part of your mind where that inspiration resides. You know, your true nature that you really are a perfect spirit. And so, the course kind of terms that the Holy Spirit.

Well, we’ve talked to folks out of the unity world who refer to Christ consciousness, we’ve got folks who measure different hertz and frequencies and put numbers to it; recognize, everybody, that that’s just our smaller aspects of ourselves, our little pieces and parts that are trying to make sense of this experience here. If you take a deep breath, and just relax into it, it just doesn’t matter what people call it. The construct is just designed to get us there. And so, when you’re there, and playing in that abstract frequency, you know. And you know when others are there, and when others are willing to meet you in that space, because you can feel it.

Yes. Yes, it’s something that’s sort of undeniable. When that inspiration is flowing through you, it has a very different feel and tone. And the messages that come through this right part of your mind, always feels like there’s a sense of hopefulness, inspiration, making your heart sing, it inspires peace in you. Whereas, there’s this other part of your mind that we call the “ego” that is really more about separation, about condemnation; that’s where our attack thoughts come from, and all of the judgements. So, there’s two really specific parts of the mind that A Course in Miracles addresses, and that’s what Gary and I teach. We teach A Course in Miracles, so we teach that thought system. So, we kind of … We get into the nature of the mind. And how it works. And how you do have these sort of … The mind is sort of split off. And when you can really develop listening more and more, and tuning into the right part of your mind, where that inspiration is … And really learn how to undo the false you. Which is the ego, the separated self that believes in separation.

And so, the course just brings us back to the idea that all … That we really, truly are one. We’re one mind, but experiencing ourselves as many; many different people, many minds, but we’re really one. And all minds are joined. It’s very powerful, once you start connecting with that.

It is. And that’s what we play with in the Superpower Net, is the concept of the abstract frequency, which is them; there’s no separation between any of us in that space. And when you operate there, you see it. You see everybody there. And it really struck me early on in my practice. Because it was like, I just didn’t understand why people didn’t see themselves there. Like, I was like, “Wait, what do you mean? Like, you’re there. Like, I see you.” Because the way one of my superpowers works, is I see … You know, I see when people blip in and out of consciousness, or the abstract, or when they’re connected with that higher aspect of them, and when they’re not. And it’s kind of like on the X-Men, with Professor Xavier, whatever. He puts his little helmet on and he can see all the mutants. You know, that’s what it looks like to me. And I know when people drop in and out of that, when their consciousness drops in and out that, or when they’re really focusing on being in that connected space.

And so, it’s funny that you’re talking about it, because it really is … That’s where we exist naturally. But, it’s so challenging to our lower aspects, because there’s no privacy, there’s no individuality … Like, there’s individualism, being one within the one, but it’s not like what we thought, and kind of how all of us were programmed. And so, really, you do have to kind of manage all those parts of you. And what you talk about with the ego aspect, or that other piece; I separate all that out. Because, battling the ego … Every time something came up, was just too much for me. And so, now I separated out that we have all these pieces and parts, and we’re just doing the work of integrating all the little parts. Because, then, what I found is, that way I got credit for doing something, accomplishing something. Otherwise, it was just this formidable enemy that I was constantly up against, and I wasn’t making any headway. So, I was like, “Okay, stop. I want credit.” So, I deal with it in layers, and pieces, and parts.

With our seven-year-old, Neva, we talked about gremlins and loving your gremlins. You know, the more white gremlins you have that are loving and flowing in your heart chakra, versus the angry little red gremlins that are running around wreaking havoc. You know, we use whatever we can around here.

Sure. Hey, whatever’s helpful, right? Whatever’s helpful. I think is … Yeah.

Very cool. Very cool. Well, we’re talking with Cindy Lora-Renard today, and I’m really excited. We’re going to take a short pause, and then when we come back, I want to ask you about your spiritual awakening, and how that came about. So, stick with us, and we will be right back. All right, everybody. Well, we are back at Superpower of Podcast with Cindy Lora-Renard. We’re talking about spiritual awakening and all the magical stuff that she and her husband Gary are doing in the world around A Course in Miracles. Cindy’s got a book that’s out now, called A Course in Health and Wellbeing, all based on the principles of A Course in Miracles.

So, I want to get to that, but first, as I promised, I really want to ask you about your own spiritual awakening, and how that came about? Or have you just always existed there?

Yeah, I definitely believed that spiritual awakening is a process, not an actual event. In other words, it’s a process over time. For me, I started really, really opening in my early 20s. I would not call myself … At that time, I wasn’t spiritually awake, but I was starting the process of just … My mind was becoming less defensive. I didn’t need to defend as much against things, and I was opening, and I was having all sorts of mystical experiences in my 20s. So, it started there, when I started reading all kinds of spiritual-type books, and I was in the spiritual buffet line reading everything I could get my hands on. And then, it wasn’t until my late 20s when I got a copy of A Course in Miracles. And it was really my mother who really influenced me a lot. We would have very spiritual, intense conversations. Because, she started practicing A Course in Miracles before I did, and was sharing the lessons with me. And, eventually, she brought home a book called The Disappearance of the Universe. Which is my husband, Gary Renard’s, first book. And she said, “Cindy, you have got to read this book. It explains the non-dualistic thought system of A Course in Miracles so well, and with humor. And you’ve got to read this.”

So, I would say, after I read The Disappearance of the Universe, it was like I knew in that moment, that was going to be my path for the rest of my life. That was what was going to be … That was my dedicated path, from that point on. And I, from that point, really started to open when I started doing the workbook of A Course in Miracles; which consists of 365 lessons, one for every day of the year. That aids us in undoing the ego, the false you. I won’t hold back and say the course is a channeled work. So, it’s channeled by a woman named Helen Schucman in the ’60s, and it was published in the ’70s. And she heard a very, very clear voice, and she recognized the voice to be Jesus. So, Jesus is the voice of the … And it’s pretty undeniable, when you look through the course, that this is a thought system that’s coming from outside of time and space. It’s not coming from this world, it’s coming from a higher wisdom. And the voice makes it very clear who he is when he’s speaking.

So, when I started really getting into that, my path just accelerated. My awakening started accelerating as I was actually applying what the course was saying about applying true forgiveness, and A Course in Miracles has a certain kind of forgiveness that it talks about, that’s not a traditional kind of forgiveness that the world really thinks of; it goes really, really to the heart of truth, to reality. Which is, God is the only reality, and this is how we can learn to see people, and the world.

And so, as soon as I started really working with this workbook, and practicing this kind of forgiveness on a daily basis, and learning to shift my perceptions from ego-based to illusory thinking, based on the world of separation to shifting it to the Holy Spirit’s thinking; which would be that you’re seeing everyone as they really are, in truth. Which is innocent, whole, perfect spirit, one with God, just like you are. And when you learn to make that shift every day, and practice that, it’s a very fast way of undoing the ego and removing the blocks to the awareness of what you really are, to the awareness of love’s presence.

So, I’m kind of … As you’re speaking, I’m putting all this together. And, if I’m not mistaken, and correct me if I’m wrong, but Gary is very outspoken about how his book came about, and who came and talked to him, and what his connection was to them … And I don’t want to do spoils, or what not … Spoilers. But, how did you … Wait. So, I’m picturing you reading this book, and then, somehow you got connected to Gary. How did you reconcile that whole experience for yourself? Maybe we should fill everybody in, because I’m like … My mind’s kind of blown right now, going, “Wow!” Okay, so let’s back up. How did you then connect with Gary? How did you meet him?

Yeah. That was so interesting, because, when I first … I’ll just start here. When I first saw Gary’s book, and I would look at his picture on the back cover, it was undeniable, I felt like I just knew him. I just … Everything about him. So, I felt a deep, immediate connection. And so, eventually, my mother said, “Why don’t we go to Las Vegas and hear Gary speak? He’s speaking at this conference.” And, of course, I was all over that. I was like, “Yes! Let’s go.” So, we did. We went to hear him speak, this was back in 2006. And I met him in the book signing line with my mother. With everybody else, you know? Again, and I’m just using the word “undeniable”, because there was such a clear connection, even on his end, I could tell, that he was looking at my mother and I like, “I know you.”

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Like, he felt the same way.

Had you put it together at that point? Or …

I didn’t put it together, my part in this whole thing, yet. This is a really … This would probably require a whole ‘nother show, even just to talk about this. And I’ll try to make it brief. Gary knew in the moment he met me … This might sound far out to some people, I’m not sure. But, he knew who I was 2,000 years ago. At the time of Jesus, he knew that I was one of his teachers who are appearing to him now, giving him the material for his books, but coming from the future.

I love it.

And they still appear to him, and they give him this information. They actually appear to him in person. And so, he’s getting direct information; not channeled, it’s direct, as if you’re speaking with an actual person. And so, his books were inspired by these two masters that appeared to him. And so, what I didn’t put together until later, was that … First of all, he knew this from the beginning, but didn’t say anything to me until I read his second book, which came out that summer after I met him.

And, in that book … This is why it’s so interesting, is there’s a chapter called “Who’s Arten?”. Now, Arten is one of the master teachers that appear to Gary. There’s Arten and Pursah, a man and a woman. And I read … There’s this chapter. It says “Who’s Arten?” And in that chapter, they actually talk about, they have a conversation about, “Gary is going to meet Arten in this lifetime, and she’s a woman.” And this is before … He wrote this before he even met me, or … You know, this was all written before. They just started describing who he was going to meet. And gave him some hints. But, it was really his responsibility to let it go, just let it all go, and he would find me.

And so, when he saw me for the first time, it was like a download for him. He just knew then, that that was me. So, when I read the chapter, though, I got my own download, my own hit. And it was like … It almost felt like a revelation. It was just a very powerful feeling, like, “Wow! I believe, I think they’re talking about me. This is,” … And so, I really felt strongly about that, and resonated with their conversations and the messages. I had a conversation with Gary about it a little later, and he admitted … He said, “I didn’t want to tell you right away, but I knew that you were … You’re Arten appearing to me. Arten is appearing to me in the future. But, you’re Arten, and appearing to me now as Cindy, in this lifetime. And it was clear that we were meant to be together to continue sharing these teachings of A Course in Miracles, which does come from Jesus, what he was really teaching 2,000 years ago.”

So, we’re sort of … Arten and Pursah were two of the original disciples of Jesus 2,000 years ago. That’s why it made so much sense that Gary

Arten and Pursah were two of the original disciples of Jesus 2000 years ago

Arten and Pursah were two of the original disciples of Jesus 2000 years ago.

and I today now are feeling so compelled, and called to further these teachings. Because it’s like, we did it 2,000 years ago, we’re doing it again today, in this time frame.

Wow. What an amazing story. And it’s like, my mind’s reeling, because it’s like, “Oh,” … It appears to me all these puzzle pieces are going into place because there were so many things that you’re talking about that were similar to my journey. So, you know, the second I saw my husband, I was the same way. I was like, “Oh. There you are.” Like, and it was … So, I can really relate to a lot of what you’re talking about. It’s so funny. Like, I understand now why I was guided to reach out to you and invite you to the show, and it makes sense. I’m kind of laughing, like, I can kind of hear the powers that be go, “Now you get it?”

Because your side of that story is so powerful, as I’m sure Gary’s is as well. And I love listening to it come alive in you. My experience with … Because I did read A Disappearance of the Universe, and I afterward … The second I finished the book, I just started bawling. Crying, bawling. And all I could hear was this voice go, “Now you know. It’s undeniable, now you know.” And it was like, “What?” Like, my Tonya self was like, “Uh, I don’t get this.” Like, “What’s going on here?” And I just sat in it, and I just let it be. And it was such a powerful experience. And it didn’t strike me until you started talking about, “You know, oh yeah, we do these things.” I was like, “Wait a second.” Like, “The implications here are far bigger than what we’re talking about.”

And so I’d love … Maybe we can have you back on the show and talk, almost woman to woman of like, “What is it like when you meet these people, and you’re like, “Oh, wow. We’ve done this before. And we’re going to do this thing together again.”” And I’m going, “Wait. Are you finding the other disciples?” Like, “Have you have other people come forward?” I can only imagine just some of the conversations that occur.

Yeah. There’s so much to all of this. And I think that Arten and Pursah, the teachers that appear to Gary, really, really, appear to him so they can … Their goal is to be truly helpful, and to help people undo the ego. That’s really their ultimate goal. Which is, again, undo the false sense of separation. Which, really, is the cause of all fear, and all suffering, and all pain, which comes from guilt in the mind that people don’t know. It’s unconscious, this guilt over having separated from God. And they do a great job, in the book, of explaining the course.

Oh, yeah. It’s amazing.

-appeared to get here in this illusory world. They don’t hold back at all about, you know … I mean, that the world is an illusion. But, you can’t stop at that. There’s a way, though, to navigate through the world and undo this ego so that what’s left … You start to chip away at this unconscious guilt over the separation. So what’s left … Though, really you start showing off the loving you. The you that lets go of all judgment. The you that understands that forgiveness is the key to happiness. A kind of forgiveness that undoes the error that it sees in others. That undoes the separation, and says, “Hey,” … It sees with spiritual sight all people. It sees all people the same, that they were created by God equally in their innocence and their wholeness. And so, they’re equally worthy as to receive that love as you are.

So beautiful. So powerful. And I know that hasn’t always been easy, to stand up, and have conviction around that, and really be willing to speak the truth that you know. And I honor you for that.

Aw. I just consider it … I’m very passionate about it. So, I feel grateful just to be on this path, and to be able to share these amazingly deep teachings. I just really am grateful for that.

Very cool. Well, I love everything about you, and everything that you’re doing, and what you’re standing for, and the fact that you’ve committed … Really, committed this lifetime to assisting people with things like spiritual awakening, and undoing the ego, and all the work that we’re extremely passionate about here at Superpower Experts in our own language. But, folks, to those of you listening, use this as a great example of, you know, “What the heck does A Course of Miracle have to do with superpowers?” Right? Except for, if I’m not mistaken, they actually talk about … Jesus actually spoke about powers, and miracles, and how that works, and how it all comes about.

And I remember feeling extremely, extremely clear, when I was going through that process and reading that material, because I struggled with it. Was like, “Okay. I don’t know about the whole God, Holy Spirit thing. Jesus and I, we’re cool, but beyond that, it’s like, “I don’t know how much I want to align with all that.”” But, it’s all the same thing. Trust yourself. Trust the guidance. Trust the words that are coming through. I know a lot of you that we attract are here teaching others this material.

Whether you’re doing it through the Course of Miracles, or you’re being guided to create your own, or whether you’re channeling entities that have their own language; like, whatever the case may be, trust that the underlying thread is the same. And that people need different words, and different ways, and different expressions of it, because we’ve … If you will, we’ve separated out so many times, and divided so many times that, in this process of bringing it all back together, we’re going to have to use some different modalities and verbiage just to get people to the place where they can hear, that really it’s all the same. Trust. Trust, trust, trust. Even if you don’t have your future, former selves appearing to you in full and bodied form, trust how you’re receiving that information.

And I think that what Cindy’s talking about is so powerful. She keeps saying that these individuals are appearing to Gary. She never said, “Oh, I sit and they give me my guidance, too.” Like, her way of expressing what she is hearing and stuff is totally different, and equally valuable, and valid, and the expression of it is different. And so, that’s true for all of you as well. I don’t want to put words in your mouth, Cindy. Do the individuals appear to you also? Or no?

Not at this time. I haven’t experienced their appearances. It’s possible they would appear. That’s totally up to them, and I always trust that they know what’s best. So, if there was like a reason … If I made a good reason, and it would be helpful, I think they would.

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

But, I think they see it as, right now, it’s not necessary, or else they would. They would be.

Well, if for no other reason, then I’d get to sit here and say, “Hey, look at this folks.” Like, “You’re talking about a woman who’s married to a man who has these entities appearing to him; his future former self, and his wife’s future former self.” You know, it gets really convoluted. But, essentially, these ascended masters are appearing in body, in physical form, and he’s talking with them and getting information through them. Well, put yourself in Cindy’s place for a second, and imagine … They’re not appearing to her. And so, she’s having to trust knowingness in a very different way, and trust her connection in a very different way. That takes courage.

And so, recognize that we all have our own gifts. I talk to a lot of people, through this Superpower thing, and they get upset because they don’t have visions. Or they don’t have God talking to them. Or they don’t have ascended masters appearing. Or they don’t … Whatever it is that we think … How we think the information should be coming to us. We forget that we all have very different superpowers, you know? One of the things that we advise people, and as you know, you have kind of predisposed superpowers, and then you’ve got these unique superpowers, and how you packaged it all together in this lifetime is uniquely yours. And some people get the knowing ness. Some people, like you’re talking about, you channel, and then it’s expressed through music. All of that’s very powerful, and pertinent, and exclusively yours.

And so, be careful with the comparisons, because … And I think, Cindy, you’re a great, great example of that. I can only imagine the strength of character it took for you to really step into that space when here’s your husband, who’s got these books, and these people appearing to him, and all these other things. And so, I really, again, I’m just in admiration of you, and your courage throughout that process.

Everyone has gifts that come in different forms

Everyone has gifts that come in different forms.

Aw. Aw, I appreciate … I really appreciate that. I also agree with everything you’re saying about … Don’t feel bad, if you don’t … You’re right. It’s not necessary to have beings appear to you in order to awaken, to spiritually awaken. In other words, we’re actually being guided, and taught that every one of us has the same potential to listen and tune … I use the word “Holy Spirit”, because that’s what the course uses, but you can use whatever term you like. But, to get in touch with the higher power. But, everybody has the same potential to learn how to listen to that voice, to that wisdom, the inspiration that you’re always connected to. And that’s part of the learning, is learning how to tune in, and learning that we all have the same potential to receive the same wisdom, and you don’t need a master to. It can come in all different forms. It comes through writing, a song, it could come through, really, actual daily practices.

The main way, I would think, is where you’re actually applying spiritual principles in your everyday life. Then you start to make it a part of your attitude. It starts to become you. And you start to … That becomes, then, eventually more your identity, which is what you really … Then, the body you, the personality you, which is not the real you. So you start to sort of, eventually, let that identity of body identification go. It doesn’t have to … You don’t have to let it go all at once. That would just happen naturally, as you undo the ego.

And then … So, yeah. You definitely don’t have to have beings … And everybody that has gifts that come in different forms. Everybody has tools that they’re given. You know, that they can use. So, that’s a really important part of all of this.

Yeah. I confessed on a show, one time, or maybe even a few times … Because we tracked a lot of people who channel, and a lot of entities who want to talk on the show. And, you know, I confessed that there was a point in time when I had channel envy. Because it was like, you know, I just … My husband’s a medium, and a channel. And these beings would come through, and I was like, “Cool. Can I just record you and write a book?” Like, “Can’t I just do it that way?” And they’re like, “No.” And I’m like, “Why?” And they would say, “Well, you need to synthesize the information and then teach it.” I was like, “Mm. Sounds a lot easier if I could just record you, write the book, and just send it out there.” They’re like, “No.” I mean, we would go back and forth about this. It was like, “Ugh.”

You know, so I told people I had channel envy for quite a while because it was like-

I love that term! “Channel envy”. I love that term.

It was. I was like, “Come on!” You know? My way sounds like a lot of work.

Well, you know, Gary used to … At the very beginning of the appearances of Arten and Pursah, he used to … This is kind of funny. But, there was a time he would try to secretly record their conversations, as if they wouldn’t know!

Like they’re not going to know?

As if they’re not going to know, right? It was so funny. Eventually, they appeared one time, and they’re like, “Really, Gary? You actually think we didn’t know that you would hide that tape recorder?”

I love it. You’re like trying to pull a fast one on God, and stuff. Like, that’s just not going to work.

It’s not going to work. It’s just not going to work. So, it was just a funny part of that.

Oh, that’s awesome. I’m telling you. We need to do reality shows. Like, “No, this is enlightenment, I swear. This is what it looks like.” Oh my goodness. You know, folks, just keep going. Just keep on the path. Keep going. You hear the funny stories. We all have our doubts and our questions. And if the course language appeals to you … Like, I can’t recommend The Course of Miracles enough, because if you’re not drawn into that language, I really recommend you challenge yourself to go into it. I like making people uncomfortable in the name of growth. And so, it’s like, you know, try it out. It’s like everything I’ve talked about for so long now with the superpower conversations. Like, you have to be willing to have the discipline. It’s not enough to know. You have to be really willing to embody it. Because the work that you’re doing is really deconstructing the parts that are not that.

Of course, they all appear there. Of course, we get information. Of course, we all have access to that. Can you live it? Can you embody it? Are you willing to do the work to dismantle everything that’s not that? And, until you are, your life doesn’t truly change. You may have little blips of change here and there, but … I know a lot of people are frustrated because they try to do the law of attraction, or whatever, and it didn’t work. And it’s like, you have to do the process. You know, you have to do the work. For a long time, we kept talking about “chop wood, carry water”. You have to do it.

And The Course of Miracles is phenomenal for walking you through it step, by step, by step, by step. And don’t let your smaller aspects of you get in the way, with regard to the verbiage, or the hyper-masculinity of the language … I love that argument. It’s like, you know, we’ve all been men, we’ve all been women, like get over it. And just really … If it’s not The Course in Miracles, obviously, we have our own kind of curriculum around triggers, and how to have the discipline of it. But, commit to the discipline of it. Because, otherwise, all you can do is operate off of programmed behaviors, and that just gets you more of the same. And if you want to make change, you got to put that work in.

And so, I applaud anybody whose tackled The Course of Miracles, and especially tackled it to the point where they’re teaching it, and guiding others through it. Because it’s no small feat to jump into. When you’re ready for it, you know you’re ready for it. And just go for it, and try it out. And certainly, Cindy, where can we send people if they want more assistance with that, or want to go to a workshop, or something? Where can we send folks to find out more about you?

Real quickly, just so … A Course in Miracles is actually also … Don’t let the language fool you, it’s not a religion; it’s a spiritual thought system.

Perfect.

Just want to put that out there. And, yeah. People can go to my website, which is the best place to go, which is CindyLora.com. And that’s spelled C-i-n-d-y, L-o-r-a. And I have a schedule of appearances there where I’m appearing with Gary, and I do a couple events of my own as well. But, they can go to my website, and they can also go to Gary’s, because he has a very interesting website as well. And that’s GaryRenard.com.

Very cool. Well, this has been absolutely delightful. I’m so glad that I got the chance to connect with you. I’d love to have you back on the show, we can dive into some of this stuff further. Maybe we could pick a topic or something, or, you know, whatever. We’ll let spirit kind of dictate that. But, it’s been delightful speaking with Cindy Lora-Renard today on spiritual awakening, and how that’s connected to superpowers, and I really … I appreciate your courage, and coming on the show, and diving into that. Because, again, they’re seemingly not the same thing, and they’re absolutely the same thing. So, thank you for helping me model that.

Tonya, thank you for having me. I loved talking with you about this. I’d love to come back and talk with you.

Very cool. Well, thank you so much. And we really honor the work that you do, and are happy to support that, and thank you for being you in the world.

Thank you. Blessings to you.

Thank you. To you as well. And to all of you out there, as always, we appreciate your loyalty. And, until next time, go out, uncover your superpowers, and change the world. Take care, everyone.