What will you do when your world turns upside down? Will you be ready to let things change in your perspective? In this episode of Science of Superpowers, host Tonya Dawn Recla and guest Mark Gober talk about strengths as gifts that can be called superpowers related to tenacity and dedication. Mark Gober is the author of the book An End to Upside Down Thinking. This book makes us forget about everything we know about reality. It also focuses on the idea of consciousness in the face of scientific thought. Tune in and join Tonya and Mark as they revolve their conversation around science, reality, and awareness.

Tonya Dawn Recla:

Hello everyone and welcome back. We’re so glad that you chose to join us again here at The Science of Superpowers, we love having you here. We appreciate your loyalty and your continued listens. We know you’re sharing it with others and we hold a lot of gratitude and appreciation for that. Really excited about today’s conversation folks, it is going to be a doozy. Just trust me when I say that as I was sitting in this space and sort of feeling into where this conversation was going to go, it literally lies at the heart of what we contend here in the superpower universe is the most important thing. It’s really the only thing if you will at present in our current development and growth. At the heart of everything, is, are we willing to let things change, right?

Everybody says they want to be the change, they want to change the world, they want to change their lives. And ultimately each of us gets to this threshold where we have to actually make the decision of whether or not we’re going to let things change around us, right? And that’s sort of reality-bending for some and mind-shifting for others. But it’s important that we’re willing to talk about those things. And so today’s guest is the perfect person to have a conversation within that realm as the author of, and you’re going to love this, An End to Upside Down Thinking. So I’m always talking here about. turning things inside out or you get into that abstract frequency and things just kind of seem backward and upside down and kind of like a crazy town. And you’re hearing the circus thing go off in your head like do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do as you just start to see things kind of rework themselves in front of you. And it’s important that we talk about these things and what these experiences are like.

I was captain of the tennis team at Princeton and a competitive athlete before that and worked in investment banking in Silicon Valley. So business-wise, it was always helpful, but now I’m focused on other things. So I’ve been able to apply that tunnel vision to the topics that you were mentioning, trying to help people understand the nature of reality as I’ve had to help myself because within the last few years, my whole worldview has shifted, has turned upside down, and I’ve had to spend a lot of time and focus to undo my old conditioning and rethink reality.

Tonya Dawn Recla:

Brilliant, brilliant. Well, that is absolutely the name of the game over here. And I love what you mentioned, the superpower concept that we continue to expand upon and expound here is absolutely not just one of the gifts and recognizing those for what they are, but also it’s a team sport. We contend that we, kind of this journeying the self-actualization of Maslow’s hierarchy and everything gets us to a place where we ultimately realize that there’s an upper limit to what each of us can do individually and as individuals, if we continue to see ourselves in that. And so we encourage people to see beyond that and find out what that looks like for them. So I love that you mentioned that the container in which we hold this is super crucial. And I think that that’s what…

What I gleaned from the threads as I wove through your book was this concept of so many people kind of… And what you just attested to, this awareness of the idea that there’s more but then also how do we contend with this seemingly very real reality that we put in front of our faces, and what happens when you start to experience both? We have a lot of folks in our arenas who kind of hit upon those awarenesses and start to integrate things and embody them. And there’s the very clear awareness that if we dare say, we are almost having two different experiences simultaneously and we’re aware the kind of walking forward to the persona and the leading from having gone ahead and come back of what we would refer to as the divine self, it starts to get kind of reality-bending.

And so I know that that’s a space that you’re traversing and that you assist in, how do you sort of help people make sense of, as you said, reality, the concept of it? And then what if it starts to kind of turn upside down or get reworked in front of you? How are you holding that right now?

Mark Gober:

Well, I can say it’s been a challenge for me because I was not aware of what you’re calling this divine self until about five years ago, I was very much on the traditional business track focused on just worldly achievements. And I came across science and anecdotal evidence and various things that started to question my view of reality. And then when I dug into it more and more, I realized I had to rethink how I looked at life. And when that first happened, it was very disorienting because it meant that I had to rethink all of my assumptions about how I viewed the world, how I viewed myself, and also this idea that what we can perceive with our eyes and our other bodily senses is a limited sliver of the broader reality. That was a game-changer for me when that hit. So when you’re speaking to me now a few years later, and I feel like I’m a bit more adjusted to that paradox and that mind-blowing idea, but at first it was so hard.

Tonya Dawn Recla:

Yeah. My husband and I taught that to counterintelligence agents and it was challenging. He and I met teaching it at the special agent’s course and that was one of the hardest kinds of courses to help them walk through because when you’re taught to look for the ultimate truth, that’s your goal, right? You’re trying to find truth or you’re trying to find what’s real, whatever the case may be, and only to find out that there’s perspective and that there are programs and other things involved in what we perceive as being real and then ultimately how we inform the truth. It is kind of a weird thing. I had Dean Radin and in one of the questions, I’m like, “Look, we debunked Newtonian physics decades ago. When will we start living in the ways that we know, that we’ve proven? What is that going to take?”

So we had a really cool conversation about that, but ultimately it’s exactly the experience you’re speaking of. Each of us has to be willing to look our worlds in the face and kind of watch them, tug on some threads and watch them unravel a little bit. This is a really cool conversation folk, it’s a deep conversation. So stay with us because we’re going to jump to a quick break. Mark before we do, where can people go to find out more about you?

Mark Gober:

My website, which is my name, Mark Gober.com. And also on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter, it’s Mark Gober Author.

Tonya Dawn Recla:

Brilliant. If you go to the scienceofsuperpowers.com folks, we’ll make sure to have a link there for you as well. So stay with us because we’re going to come back and dive even more deeply into this topic of when the world turns upside down with Mark Gober. Don’t go away, we’ll be right back.

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