Battle Royale: Artificial Intelligence vs Creative Intelligence
Do we need to be afraid of artificial intelligence? In this episode of The Science of Superpowers, Tonya Dawn Recla tackles this tough question and shares her perspective. She guides us through an understanding of who we are at the essence of this question and what’s possible when we remember who we are. Tonya posits that as we continue to evolve and learn more about our connection to creative intelligence, our relationship with creation changes. Don’t miss this powerful episode that invites us to look closely at the conversations we’re having and how we’re having them.
Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of The Science of Superpowers. We’re talking today all about Battle Royale.
The conversation I think, at the heart of what we are here for what life is all about. And all of this good stuff is artificial intelligence versus creative intelligence. I came about this conversation in a really fascinating way, and which I’ll describe to you here in a minute, but first I want to set the stage when it comes to words, right, and how we understand words. And you’ve heard me say before that we operate on different planes of existence. And so this whole geo locating yourself in time and space, is a very, very, very, very helpful technique to learn how to use because the material realm operates at one pace, right? The virtual realm operates at another one in the vibrational warp realm or quantum realm, a subtle realm nuanced where on whatever we want to call, it operates at a different pace.
Okay, so words kind of take on different meanings and have a great example of that. So let’s go back a little bit to, let’s say, Oh, 2001, and I had finished my master’s thesis on how to become a white ally and finish that degree, and 911 happened. And I enlisted in the military. And during that time I didn’t know much about that culture. It was more of a let’s just say a field guided mission, if you will, because I felt a little bit on autopilot. And, and mostly curious about where I was going, but I had very clear direction, I was pursuing the counterintelligence career path. And I was pretty positive. It was for reasons that I couldn’t yet fathom, but I was kind of used to that at that point in my life. So anyway, that was the path. But I was not acculturated in military speak military culture. I mean, truly, I was teaching critical race theory. So you can kind of see the juxtaposed world, right. And so I go into this space. And during the process, if you’ve never enlisted in the US military, I don’t know about other militaries. And I don’t know where it’s at right now.
But at that time, they are in the process of enlisting is a grueling, grueling, grueling process, right. I can’t grueling. When I say grueling, like, anyway, I won’t even go into detail, but this process that you go through, and then towards the end of it, I’m talking with this young cat, and he’s asking me just a series of questions. And I’m like, I can sign on this dotted line, right? I’m getting ready to do this five years, they’re gonna tell me what to do, how to do it, where to do it, when to do it. Right. I’m gonna get this program down, right? You asked me this question. Now mind you, let’s put put you in my MindScape. Right, I graduate degree critical theory, right? I’m all about social deconstruction, right? Words, words are super specific to me. Right? very nuanced, very finite details, right? And very clear. And he asked me this question, and he says, Are you a conscientious objector? And I said, Yes. Now mind you, I’m enlisting in the army, regardless of whatever your beliefs are. I’m a logical person enlisting in the army. And I’m clear that part of the army includes things like weapons and orders, and that sometimes people die. And I was clear about that. That was a game, I was very clear, I was joining to play regardless of your beliefs on that, or mine, even at the time that I was clear about, I’m very clear, I was clear that that solid in my mind, so I answered, Yes. And he looked at me. And he goes, you are? And I said, Yes. He goes, Are you sure? Oh, my God, I’m very clear that I am a conscientious objector. He goes, you’re really short. And and at that time, you know, I’d had enough training and I’m like, something’s not flying. And this is not the normal response he gets. And that seemed weird to me, right? And I said, if I am going to object to something, I am going to object conscientiously. Therefore, I consider myself a conscientious or a conscientious objector. Right. He’s like, That’s not what that means. I was like, What do you mean? That’s what that means? Look at those two words. I just put them together. That’s exactly what they mean. Right. All right. So if you don’t know what that term means, it means somebody who it was given certain orders objects on on moral grounds, right, that feels like perhaps they might have I may be butchering the definition. So I apologize, but my understanding of it was, you know, would feel like if given particular orders, they may have to disregard those orders because of moral religious philosophical beliefs.
Okay, that’s, that’s my umbrella definition. When he explained that to me, I looked at him like, Why in the world would I be enlisting in the army if I already knew that about myself? Right? That just doesn’t make any sense to me. So we got through that little snafu but it was a great little moment in my life of another example where words just don’t mean the same thing to everybody and if you if you’re not acculturated in that particular subgroup, you It’s confusing, right? And so let’s let’s keep that in our minds as we fast forward to why we’re having this conversation today on artificial intelligence and creative intelligence. So we’re in the process of our feature on celebrating the men of co creation. And oh, my goodness, if you don’t want your space, holy, energize, don’t invite co creative male energy into them, right? These men are on fire. They’re on fire for life for discovery for humanity for what’s possible, right there. They’re doing great things. And you fire up some of these conversations. And you’re jazz, right? And so one of the threads that keeps happening is this artificial intelligence one, and it sort of got started when Perry Marshall and I were talking. And we were, we were doing our episode on quantifying quantum, which is kind of a funny joke, because he’s writing a paper on quantum physics. And he’s got a whole story about it. But Perry also has this $10 million prize for somebody who I don’t totally understand. So Perry, I brought that to space, and he’s in it. But I’m curious about it. So I kind of went and looked it up a little bit. And to my understanding there, there’s a fascination with AI. And so how it connects into evolution. Cool. So that sort of stuck. In my mind. I’m like, Okay, this AI conversation seems just really fascinating to people. It’s not super fascinating to me. So why is that? Right? And then I’m talking to Amit Goswami, right, we’ve talked a few times. And this is our third interview. So we’re getting a little feisty with each other because I mentioned artificial Intel, or he mentioned artificial intelligence. And I sort of started, you know, poking at it a little bit. And in the awareness that this scares people, there’s fear in this conversation, right. And he’s, he’s aware that that can get kicked up. And so we sort of talked about Yeah, that’s a, that’s a term that we don’t necessarily want to throw around flippantly. Well, I love throwing around terms flippantly. And I have very good reasons for them, which I can illustrate here in a minute. But that stuck in my mind, right. And then again, I’m talking with Chad about another guest from our series. And he mentioned AI. So I’m like, Alright, that’s it. That’s it, I’m going to do this, I’m going to talk about this because I don’t quite get where we’re going with all of this. So I’m just going to explain my perspective and share my two cents into the mix. So I first started to become very aware that people are a little bit concerned about this concept of AIS. And, again, I’m not in that field. So I apologize, this is how I’ve interpreted what I’ve picked up that they’re a little bit concerned about this concept called solidarity. I think that’s the word. And but essentially, you know that that sort of stuck in my mind, because let’s just set that aside for a second, we’re gonna go over here for a moment when we reintegrate into Arizona, which is where we live now. And it had been a little bit and so we were wanting to make connections and stuff here. And so I remember going through like meetup groups, and there was this cool group all about. And I think it’s solidarity, right? Is that the word we’re like, no, everything comes in one group takes over something. And then, and I was reading the write up about it, and in my world, in my way, that was, like, all very cool. They’re talking about oneness, right, which to me is the understanding of ourselves, as in and of everything. And part of everything, which is, you know, it has always been a big part of my walk. And so I was like, Great, I’m happy to talk with people about that, right? That’s perfect for, like, I can get behind that. And so, I go to this meeting, and they start talking, and they’re using words that I’m very familiar with. I taught electronic warfare. And so like, you know, all of the conversations in those spaces make super sense to me. But they were using these terms in different ways than I was holding them in my space, right? And finally, it dawned on me like, What am I sensing here? Like, they are afraid of something. And I finally asked, I’m like, what, what do you what, what is it that you think is going to happen here? And they explained to me the concept of creating something artificial, that gains consciousness and not that it can take over, right, it can sort of supersede the consciousness of human beings. And I’m, like, really, like, this is something like, I’ve seen movies and stuff, but this is something you’re actually kind of concerned about. They’re like, yeah, and I was like, Huh. And I left feeling really perplexed. And I think they were a little bit perplexed, because I really didn’t know how to bridge those two worlds at that point in time. And I sat with them like, why am I not perplexed by this, right? Or I’m sorry, why am I not afraid of this? Because it seems to be very prevalent. What is it about it? And so I do what I do, and I ask the question is, is this a fear? You know, is this something that I’m afraid of? Because I believe in the concept of oneness that if it is a fear that is worthy of our attention, then it’s in me. It’s there and I get to reconcile it. I believe that I hold that power.
So I go looking, show me where I’m afraid of this. What is this? When there really wasn’t anything there? So I was like, Okay, why am I not afraid of this? Why does this not seem? It wasn’t just that I wasn’t afraid, like, oh, it could happen, and oh, well, lalala is like, it’s not even possible. I’m like, Okay, well, people seem to think that it could be why are we so sure? It’s not even possible, right? And that’s when I started to kind of put the threads together. And part of it is that I believe it makes a lot more sense. And this is where I’m at. And I sort of got into it. I believe it makes a lot more sense. If we all sort the question of, can we create artificial intelligence that you know, blah, blah, blah, whatever the fear is, right? To can artificial intelligence, create artificial intelligence, that blobby blobby globe, because on some level, we have to first look at the word we and who’s we can we create this? Well, who were we and in exploring that word, we’re gonna have to get real clear with ourselves. Because depending on which aspect we’re coming from, it bears heavy weight on what we mean by the word we. So let’s set that down right here. When we look at how we identify, the way we help people understand this is that most of us see us as two aspects, right? The body and the spirit, or however, we want to define the now we started like body Mind, Body Soul, like, like, recognizing there’s actually more going on there. We talk about it all the time. But we don’t totally understand the energetic dynamics of it. But we’re getting there, right? We break it down a little bit differently. Because we work with creative concepts, we believe that is the solution.
Moving forward, creative intelligence is the field of potentiality, we’re able to meet in that in pretty innocuous and benign ways. Those aren’t charged kind of senses yet, and so it’s a good one to follow. For those of you in shared spaces, creativity, you can’t go wrong with following the creativity thread, it inevitably leads us to the relationship with the Creator, the creation. So keep in the creative space. As a side note, okay, so what we work with there is we work with a concept of the creature, self, right, which we call the self self awareness is just awareness of the self, the self, it’s not that big of a deal, folks. It’s really not, it’s kind of like, what does our body look like? Right? Like, like, how does it how do we identify all those social identities, all that image stuff, um, all of the stuff that we’re kind of up in arms about, it’s really just the surface way to get to this stuff underneath Bhosle there’s more Wait, you know, wait, there’s more, right? Not Yoda. So in that space, the creature self is the self moving forward, right? It’s just one step after the other, one foot after the other, one foot after the other, it doesn’t really have a lot of forward vision outside of what it believes in and of itself to do right so it’s able to do that. We don’t have to be too much in that sort of self space, we also have this creator aspect that knows ourselves to be able to inform things from a higher space, we don’t totally understand it necessarily. And we definitely don’t agree on what it is. But we do have this sense of this ability, right where two or more of you gather there also will be some spirit, some essence, some energy, love, God created, whatever the words are light on activity, right? subtle energy, right? Dark, dark matter, like, whatever all the names, we want to call it. Dust, right? Like, like, we can call it whatever we want to call it, okay? We have all the words for it. But it’s the fact that we can harness the field and this field of potentiality, the creative intelligence, if you will, that starts to remind us that we actually have that creative element within us, which means on some level we are of creation. So it’s undeniable now we have conflict right inside of us, we have this contradiction. And we go back and forth ding ding, ding ding dictating until the point in time when we go through what we consider kind of the Trinity zation process of realizing ourselves as a created being now we can start the path of knowing ourselves as all three we become one right now we’re on to the different faiths. So let’s set that there. Why is this important when it comes to words? Well, a good place that we can look at right now and this may be a stretch for some people but let’s follow the thread before we discard it. And say if we look at let’s say even the story of like the Christ story, and if you look at how it moved through the progression of recognizing the self as the self versus recognizing the self as the I Am, the language meant different things. So guidance given prior to that moment and guidance given after that moment. Were very specific and they had different frequencies. When we forget that we miss using it right and we miss applying them. But that’s pretty Common in the back and forth and back and forth until we can see that whole picture. That’s just one example of where we can see sort of the movement from the creature, this self, knowing of the self knowing as the self is being created into the creative format into that oneness, right? It’s an example if it doesn’t work for you, there are many, many, many others, you have your own story that you can follow.
And if we’re honest with ourselves, we go, we have that challenge. And it really lies at the heart of this very concern and fear, if you will, that’s driving this conversation. So what do I mean by if artificial intelligence can create artificial intelligence that can do something? It’s helpful if we look at the creature self, the avatar, right that we refer to the avatar, it’s very helpful if we look at that, as programmable. And on some level as this kind of element of artificiality, because we are programming it and it is being programmed. We know this, we know that we take on programs from each other, we know we’re passing information back and forth, it’s being carried through the field. It’s like the biggest sort of blockchain voting so better than watching, right, because it’s actually secure. But it’s like this whole potentiality of and it runs off of possibilities, right, it runs off a probability, based on how we’re investing into it, that’s that’s the entirety of information, what gets formed is sort of like this. All of these tremendous algorithms are running, you know, the, you know, the internet’s training, as I mean, we’re starting to understand better because of the virtual scape. So that’s good. But it operates off of, you know, popular vote. And so that’s why if you can get people to fuel a concept through the field, there’s no good bad or other ways it gets fuel to the field, using the same mechanics as your good lit up the positive, if you will run in the same kind of mechanics. And as you sit with this, right, because the this is the unraveling, right, you got to experience this, you got to work with it, you got to discover these things for themselves, because these are spaces and ways of being that we are we’ve known about, but we’re starting to embody and integrate in and create with and bring actual, like, materialize actualized things to the surface based on these principles, right? And those working with these principles know that this question is kind of crazy on some level, like, like, it’s, we’re kind of past it. And what I mean by that is that once you know yourself as all of that, and you can kind of start to play within my walking through this as the creature yourself and my watch, walking through this is the creator self, because you know the difference. And you get to choose which game you want to play there. Once you realize that you start to learn the principles that operate the field. And if you deny the principles or pretend they’re not happening, you’re trying to go against them, you fall, like fall out, you know, but you can’t use it like that. There are checks and balances. It’s very subtle, and it’s responsive. So you have to become subtle and responsive. If you move too quickly, you’re back in the material, right? It’s just too dense, you can’t, you just can’t operate in the same way. So you have to let yourself be trained in letting yourself be trained, you learn these principles, if you want to keep playing the game, you have to abide by the principles. So in that space, the idea that the Creator himself would even think about creating something that could take over it doesn’t even equate, like, does not compute because that world, the vibrational world in the material world, only connects through us. Right through in consciousness, if you will. That’s where the intentionality component comes into it. And as you start working with the field, you’re holding those principles.
It’s sort of part of the package like you just can’t play there and not abide by it. Right. So let’s set that back over here. Right, create yourself versus create yourself and let’s go back to this question of who’s we in this conversation? If we can sort of wrap our minds around this mess over here, right? However, that got illustrated and remember, this is how I resolve this for myself. In my world. That works for me, take from it what works for you. If you don’t want to be afraid of this conversation. Here’s how I am not afraid of it. If it works for you, use it. If it doesn’t then don’t get it to work for you. Because just because Tonya says oh well who the hell as Tonya writes it at some point, it won’t, you can’t have it be somebody else’s, it has to work for you. If the whole thing doesn’t work, take the pieces that do if none of it does, throw it out and go find another one or continue on with whatever you’re doing right. This is how these dynamics work. So let’s go back to the weak conversation, right? Can we create artificial intelligence that would do X, Y, and Z? Well, we, as the creator elements that we are that are capable of creating, that’s the very essence that allows us to create things into form. Right that last? Oh, pause, we have to address one more issue. I forgot about this, this one’s a good one. So we also have to understand how programs work with their countermeasures. Anything that doesn’t have the creative element in it has a natural self destruct mechanism to it. And this is how we know this. Let’s look at ourselves right? In order to pass on from material reality, you have to be able to know yourself beyond the material beyond the physical, if we only know ourselves because this is a conceptualized reality, if we only know ourselves as a physical form, when the physical form dies, we know ourselves to be dead. It’s not punishment, it’s just that simple. Those are how the dynamics work. If we can conceive of ourselves as beyond the physical body and the aspect of ourselves that we can conceive of ourselves is continuing, after the physical body is gone, right, pretty simple, energetic dynamics, when we can understand the subtleties. If we’re able to harness that creative element, which is essentially the same thing as knowing yourself beyond the physical, it’s saying, there’s something else that I am. I don’t know what it is, right? But there’s something else that I am because I can talk about my body.
I can be aware of my body. So what am I if I’m aware of my body? Right, I must not be in my mind. Because I’m aware of my thoughts, we can think about our thoughts. I can’t be my emotions, because I’m aware of my emotions, as soon as you become aware of something, you’re not it. And this keeps going and going and going, folks, if you’re uncomfortable with change, you get okay being uncomfortable, because your identity shifts very rapidly on these evolutionary journeys. And you got to be okay letting go with what you thought you were. Because it’s going to shift and that means your whole world changes because your world is shaped by what you thought you were. Right, everything that you’re seeing is based on what you used to believe. Remember that there’s a there’s a, there’s that gap, it speeds up, right? As an aside, of course, and so. So if what we create is what we consider what we conceptualize, right, because creating is first about imagining right, we have to be able to imagine it to visualize it to conceptualize it. If that doesn’t isn’t connected to the field, if it doesn’t have the creative element within it, it has a natural self destruct to it. Because if it doesn’t have the creative element within it, it is of the material. We kind of looped the virtual and we kind of broke the matrix up to material and virtual because they do operate a little bit differently. But without material elements, imbued with the creative element or virtual elements, imbued with a creative element, they’re sort of this natural self destruct mechanism to them. Because what happens, it’s the self protection self destruct mechanism, they’re countermeasures to each other. This is best illustrated, we’re going to love this one in the program of privilege. Privilege. Because privilege seeks to protect itself. It has to because privilege that has to can only exist in contrast to not privilege. There’s no way to be privileged if something else is not and on the surface, the program appears to be imbalanced, that the benefit always goes to who we would consider to be privileged. But when you understand dynamics, a program can’t be imbalanced. So there must be a countermeasure. There’s a very powerful countermeasure to privilege and it’s a self-destruct mechanism. Because you can’t have an imbalanced system and anything that seeks to preserve itself is of the self because that which is of creation never seeks to preserve itself. It because it knows itself is everything. And if you’re trying to protect the self there’s a natural self destruct code that’s written into those programs.
thing. That’s why there’s always a cost to privilege. We can talk about that later. Back to the whole conversation, let’s wrap this up.
So we, the we who’s the we that would create an artificial intelligence that we could fear, who’s the way that we conceive of an idea that we could create something that we, that we’re capable, that we’re capable of countering consciousness has no concept of consciousness. Because it’s impossible. Because when you tap into creative elements, you know, without a doubt, what’s more powerful, and we hold that power we do, how we choose to harness it, our intentions with it, say everything. And when you align your will, with creative will, when you align with creative intelligence, this conversation disappears. It’s not even there. And you get to just talk about creating creative concepts with other creative people with creative solutions in a world that recognizes we are all the same. And the field moves through all of us, how are you voting into it? What are you creating? And so that’s why I think if we swap the conversation to say, Can an artificial intelligence create an artificial intelligence that could somehow take us over we see how ludicrous the question is. Because the only aspect of us that would consider doing it, or would even attempt it isn’t capable of it in the first place. And that’s how I reconciled it within myself. That’s why it’s not a topic that I fear, I’m much more fascinated with those who are looking at the conversation from the angle of how we are going to connect technology and consciousness because we’ve got some folks that are rapidly progressing through consciousness. And some of the ways tech is being used is actually abrasive in the subtle frequencies. That’s a very valuable conversation, because you’re going to want those folks on board. If we’re tackifying a society, we’re going to want to make sure to pair it up with consciousness, we’re going to want to make sure we bring those two camps together. And as far as I’ve seen, we ask a lot of questions and a lot of spaces, and there aren’t a lot of people talking.
I suggest collaboration, I suggest co creation, right. But that’s our outlook. That’s how we see things. That’s the world that we choose to intentionally create into. And I understand the conversations and I think that they are important. And this is the side note. I think those conversations are going to continue, I think they’re going to need to continue. And I think they’re doing a lot more than what we think they’re doing. We need those conversations, because anywhere that we can deconstruct and learn to critically dissect and look out at future generations, we’re going to apply those transferable skills to other things. And that’s super important. As a culture that’s mainly based in individualistic concepts, those are really important collectivistic concepts for us to start to grasp, and work together with. So I do think that the path is on purpose and is very important. I just think it’s doing something other than what we think it’s doing. Which is always the plot twist when it comes to quests, right? And that’s what happens when you turn your lifetime journey into the journey of a lifetime by saying, hey, what if this isn’t what we think it is? What if we want to reimagine it differently, and perhaps this is just a fantasy world and how she explains it to herself. It allows me the space to create, to create without fear. And, it opens up the field of potentiality. So I can be taught in other ways, which I find very valuable, very fulfilling, incredibly enriching, and fun to share with others. So that’s the path I choose. Thank you for joining me, so we’ll vote right so my vote clearly is for creative intelligence in this one, though, I do love playing in the artificial intelligence arena. Don’t get me wrong. I love the virtual lots of fun, just not who I am. So thank you all for joining us. And until next time,
remember who you are. We love you. Love each other. Goodbye for now.
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