Art Giser and Tonya Dawn Recla Share the Secret Power of Energetics

Tonya Dawn Recla:
Men who dedicated their existence to the pursuit of something beyond themselves in areas like science, business, medicine, personal development, religion, family relationship, and many others. These men have stepped up and said yes, to co-creating a world that aims to inspire all of us. Thank you for modeling admirable character and honorable pursuits. We love you and love each other, aren’t we absolutely appreciate the work that you’ve given to the world and what you do on behalf of humanity, I want to dive in and let people know what that’s all about. So let’s start with what are your superpowers? And how do you use them for good?

Art Giser:
My superpowers are clearing people’s unconscious blocks, energetic blocks, karma, and spiritual contracts, limiting beliefs, and then connecting them to their own spiritual information and opening up their superpowers.

Art Giser:
It does. And for me, it was kind of natural. Because even when I was little, I was interested in two things: science, I want to be a scientist when I grew up and change the world. But I also believed in the powers of the unconscious mind, in spiritual telepathy. In fact, my mom tells his story, I was a little kid and I wanted to check out a book on hypnosis from the library. And the librarian wouldn’t check it out for me because I was liberal. So my mom checked it out for me. And my mom said, the librarian gave her that you’re a terrible mother look, and I’d be hypnotizing my friends and cousins. Still, laugh about it. But then I got really stuck for years afterward. And what happened to me is I did get my research job. And again, the University of California Medical School in San Francisco is a major research institution, we were looking at the effects of estrogen and progesterone on tissues in a woman’s body be what you would call epigenetics. Now, you know, we were looking at how natural processes work. And I was proud of what we were doing. I love the people I worked with. We had gorgeous views of San Francisco that were way up a hill. But you know, that feeling like I’m not supposed to be here. This is not my life path. And I was always an adventure, some person, but then I got stuck. And I got stuck for a long time.

Tonya Dawn Recla:
I think so many of us can relate to that. And it’s, you know, in the longer I sit in this work, you know, decades now being consciously aware of moving through developmental models and really bizarre ways that the world doesn’t seem to understand her matchup to really want to hear about until now all of a sudden, right? It’s beautiful. It’s like critical race theory, right? I was teaching it decades ago. And now everybody wants to know more about it. And one has an opinion about it and it and the energetics superpowers, right, these conversations have been going on forever. Under the surface when I was in the counter Intel realm.

Remote viewing was not unheard of, bringing in psychics on cold cases was not unheard of. But for some reason, we haven’t matched up our realities, and we’ve had so many conversations on this show about why right what keeps us from matching up those realities of course, So many reasons, not the least of which is totally reshaping your reality in front of your face. Right. And that’s a bizarre thing to let your world know, we can say we want to change the world, but then we got to be willing to let the world change. Like, we don’t actually think that one through, like, like, Hold on, wait a second, we don’t get to call the shots, right? When you understand the energetics of field is popular vote folks, what we want we get and it’s kind of a kick in the pants, right? And so as you start to realize, okay, okay, we’re, we’re beyond the molecular like something else is going on here. Right? How did you get un-stuck? Right? You said you were stuck for a long time. So what? What was it that allowed you to kind of start putting the pieces together and saying, I think that there’s more here?

Art Giser:
Well, you know, part of it is for people that are younger, you know, when I was in my early 30s, people thought about you having a career for the rest of your life. So I was looking for, as a girlfriend of mine said, she goes, you’re looking for a box to put yourself in art, you’re not going to find it, you’re going to have to build it. And I knew that made sense. But I just didn’t know what to do. And then I started studying a little bit of energy work just a little bit. And I went to a talk on intuition. And I always had this belief that my path was going to appear one day, it was going to be there. And but you know, I got 3031 32. And I thought, well, maybe I’m just lying to myself, you know, maybe it’s just an excuse not to change. So I went to this talk on intuition, which was just okay. And they had a table where they were selling books, which will come in later, and they had a break, I went out in the hallway. And this was in the days when you had bulletin boards with flyers on them. For, you know, pieces of paper that said things up on the wall, and I read one and it went neurolinguistic programming. And when I read the words, it literally felt like a lightning bolt went, boom, hit me on top of the head and went straight down my midline. And I’m just kind of in shock. And the scientists pardon me went, what was that? And the Mr. Comey? When was the sign? What do you think it was?

Tonya Dawn Recla:
I want more.

Art Giser:
So walk back in the room, no, but I’m a little kind these days. And I look at the books on the table. And every book is on intuition, except for one. And that one book is on Neuro Linguistic Programming kind of thought, Okay, you can’t deny this now. So I bought the book, got home, and it said, don’t start with this book. So I was a good boy, I ordered from a bookstore because you can just go to Amazon, in order to book all the frogs into Princeton is one of the early books on NLP. And I started reading it and my life changed. You know, it just opened my mind to a whole different way to approach things.

Tonya Dawn Recla:
Beautiful. I love that you introduced the NLP concept and your journey with it. Because I too have had a journey with NLP, a littleNLP a little bit of a rocky journey. I would kind of equate my journey with NLP to my journey with the uninvolved masculine because of where and how we sort of butted heads. And it was, you know, and it really came to a decision point in my system, when, when at the counter Intel course asked me to write a course on critical thinking and lie detection. And I was like, I won’t do it. Critical thinking, you know, I ended up doing that piece of it. Because after we had some discussions about it being antithetical to the ring structure and what they could expect as the fallout from such teachings. But the lie detection thing I said, you know, it’s not a perfect science. I don’t necessarily agree with how it’s being deployed and arming people who aren’t intuitive or aren’t in touch with their stereotypes and biases. And everything else about them is really a bad idea. And then, of course, giving them badges and telling them, they’re good to go. I can create a kind of mess in my world. And so I was really sitting with it because I was like, Okay, how can I look at this and I love the energetics component. And of course, I found today, the structure of magic.

Right, one of the very, very first was the 1970s, right? Bandler and Grinder who did who talked about rights were really influenced by Virginia. So tears work, which was one of the foundational kind of elements and she was doing family therapy, in fact, systematic systemic family therapy models, right, where everything was cohesive, right, where people were heard and understood and well held. And I sat in this little dreamscape for a moment art in our shared energetics and I was like, well, let’s just pretend like a what-if scenario, what if NLP had been popularized as that right as the thing that’s going to allow our family units to function more efficiently so everybody can feel held and can evolve and can create and can express right now And so there’s so much value in the practice and so many people’s lives have been really evolved and changed for the better using these techniques and, and I love that you’re willing to talk about the fact that there’s something else happening underneath with the people who are effective in the moat, in the biggest sense of the word. And using these techniques, many people aren’t effective with them, because of those inconsistencies and imbalances inside of them. So that’s my confession. And then in the light of co-creation, that it’s, you know, I think in so many ways, it’s a bad idea to put that stuff forward without the proper containers. And it really started in a beautifully held container with really gorgeous intent that would serve to fortify all of society. It’s not quite where it went for a while there.

Art Giser:
Yeah, and let me make a couple of comments for people that are in. Part of the reason that my field of energetic NLP is you add spiritual principles to the energetic work. But a lot of people nowadays, don’t really understand what NLP is or what it started to be because it got popularized by people that were using it for power to get laid to get what they want, and sort of gave NLP a bad name. But it’s the same with psychology, spirituality. I mean, how many spiritual people have misused NLP in itself, very true, very true. But anything that’s powerful attracts really wonderful people and attracts people, I’m not going to label them as good or bad, but people that want power and control but that’s not what NLP, NLP was designed to be therapeutic. And then it morphed into not only being therapeutic but how do you do skills transfer if one person is good at something, how to use NLP to help somebody else, be good at it. So I just want people, that was the mission of NLP. And like anything else, it’s used in all kinds of wonderful and terrible ways.

Tonya Dawn Recla:
I love that you are able to hold it that way, that speaks to folks. And I hope you really go back and listen to that because it is 100% necessary that no matter what we’re doing, what we’re stepping into, what tools we’re using, what we’re creating, we have harmonized and reconciled this within ourselves, we carry contradictions. And that is exactly where I was able to lead myself back to is that point that these are tools we get to choose? Right, and the more of us that dive into the energetics where there there are principles that are 100% on point every single time they work 100% of the time when you understand how to attune yourself to them and how to operate in a chord with them, they can’t fail. But it is a deep journey. It is a very personal, very intense journey of the self. And from there, you understand how all of these pieces fit together, right? It does really hold the key.

And as Rocky as those journeys are for each of us, we kind of liked it, right? We’d like the messiness, we’d like to be able to look back and lay blame as best as I could, I could come up with all kinds of conspiracies about the hyper-masculinization and the patriarchy when it comes to NLP and how it’s been used. But you know what we’re not without our faults as well. And so there’s zero value and dividing up and saying this and that. And that’s really what the message of co-creation is about is it, we do have to go through the deconstruction phases, and we do have to look with some critical lenses at some of the programs and systems that we’ve agreed to. That’s not the same thing as looking with critical lenses, that the people that we identify with those programs, right as humanity, were brilliant, creative, loving beings.

And when we can remember that about ourselves and each other, we can join together and turn around and look at her very checkered and sordid past and say, Okay, what do we do with this? Right? Got it? None of us like it. It doesn’t actually work for any of us. Right? Nobody’s happy with the boxes? Nobody? No, not one. Right? Not one. Exactly. So what can we do together, right? And so I love that you played with me a little bit and allowed us to walk through that place. That’s how you are able to work with this and really work with people in valuable ways to say, hey, this isn’t perfect. And as individuals, we have to take responsibility for ourselves to know this energetic component of us.

Art Giser:
And I was lucky when I learned NLP. I was learning it in Marin County, just north of San Francisco. And at the time, if you threw a rock in Marin County, you had a therapist, a psychic, a healer, a meditator, a yogi, and a mindfulness person. So people in the class started teaching me about energetics and spirituality and introduced me to some of my early teachers. I was also very lucky that my primary mentors in NLP were Leslie Cameron Bandler who had been married to Richard Bandler. And then they got divorced. And then her husband, Michael LeBeau. So I had this incredible mixture of this. Leslie’s very, very strong, but also a very feminine woman, Michael is very strong, but not toxic male. And so I was able to learn from both of them. And they appreciated the differences and how they did things. And they made it all available to us. So it was great too, to have the more kind of still very, very powerful work of lezzy, but still from a much more loving kind of a place, and Michael, who comes in like a laser beam, and we realized we can learn from both of them.

Tonya Dawn Recla:
And there’s so much value in that. And I really do see that in our upcoming generations being modeled in more ways than I think we can even comprehend fluidity, right? The adaptability, the flexibility, and the willingness to see through all these different lenses. They’re growing up in a world where they are very aware that there’s no shared reality. There’s just not like we all grew up in a world where we, we, most of us were fed that people are this way, whether it was like we are on like we are or whatever the case may be, there was some sort of program that said, this is at least normal for people like us, right, whatever that is, and come to find out it wasn’t normal for anybody, right?

We were just all making it up as we went along. And it was, there’s something really powerful in sort of pulling that back. And it’s doing something to our insides, right? We’re getting a little squirrely, we’re a little uncomfortable with the fact that we can feel the world shifting under our feet, right? Like, like, we kind of call it dimensional sickness, right? It’s like, it’s like, it’s real folks, those waves come through, and it’s like, whoa, what’s happening? And then everything rearranges? How are you helping your clients? How are you helping the folks that you work with sort of ride these waves, maybe ease some of the tension of the chaos? Like what can we offer to folks from this beautiful synthesis place you’ve gotten to?

Art Giser:
So kind of a couple of concepts that I use. One is that everybody’s a sovereign of their energy field. So if other energies are affecting you, it’s only because they’re hooking into something of yours. Now, there’s a lot to look into, you know, we have karma, we have spiritual contracts, we have unconscious programming. But when you realize that, so what I was taught and when I bring into energetic NLP is, if other people’s energies affected me in a quote, unquote, negative way, it’s an opportunity for me to go, what did that hook into in me heal that. And then not only do I clear those energies out of my space, but I grow as a human being. So there’s a concept in Aikido and I don’t know much about Aikido, it’s called taking the hit as a gift. And, and then we have seen it as like, they teach somebody like if somebody throws a punch at you, they can actually use that energy. And so in a way, it’s the same kind of thing. So other people’s energy, even if you think it’s not, I don’t think in terms of negative or positive energy, I just go, it’s, it’s yours or it’s not yours, it’s helpful, it’s not helpful. If it’s somebody else’s energy, it’s not helpful, I can utilize that, or I can become neutral to it, there’s something called the body of glass where you realize you don’t have to fight it, you don’t have to resist it. There are so many different techniques you can use, but a lot of it is, is learning to clear your energy field, from all the other energies that are stuck in there. And it’s kind of like brushing your teeth, you’re like You’re never done the gather. But my opinion is that well over 90% of the energy in most people’s energy fields isn’t their energy. And of that, a great deal of it isn’t helpful. Again, it’s not evil, or negative, but it’s not helpful for them. And it’s not authentic. So a lot of the work I do with people is teaching them how to clear their energy, how to clear the Velcro that that energy hooked into, and then how to bring more of their authentic essence into their lives, bring more of their spirit, in their deep inner human wisdom into their lives, and to start playing with earth and universal energies.

Tonya Dawn Recla:
Beautiful, I love it. I love everything that you just said. And another way of kind of framing that up folks to sort of harmonize here is that you know, imagine that the field runs through us right the collective field runs through us at all times. And it’s carrying all this data, just tons of data. We have programs in our energetic systems, right and those programs determine how we respond to that data. So to Art’s point, the data is always coming in right this is really where our workout started in the mind-reading components like these are not my thoughts they they’re just not and I know they’re not because They can trace them back to the origin. They’re not mine, how is this working? Right? And so really diving into that, and being able to watch that, that’s right, and you ask questions and you’re going on a quest boat you will be taught, you will be shown if you have the patience to follow the quest. And so that just kept evolving and evolving.

So imagine that data’s coming through and are exactly spot on that this speaks to how incredibly important it is for us to understand our energetic fields, right? You are either energetically influencing or being influenced by the environment, no matter where you’re at, you choose, right and it’s not a matter of taking over and controlling and influencing everybody else. It’s simply maintaining your space of influence your locus of control, energetically, and if we don’t understand that we’re operating from programs that we don’t even see happen, because they’re happening in that subconscious level for a long time.

You know, the idea was the programs in the subconscious, you know, that we can’t see them we can’t do anything about but you know, I dug underneath that one. And it’s simply not true. We can observe our behaviors, we can, we can watch what we do, we can analyze the science exists for a reason, folks. Right? If you don’t like how you’re acting, who’s responsible, right? But it’s easier said than done if you don’t know how to work with those energetics, which is where the creative energy field activation model came into play. So people can clear that energy for themselves and operate from that active field. Right. So you have the universal field coming through. But we all have our own little intention, crafts, essentially a little intention hovercraft, that if we can hold the energetics of in our creative expression, we have an incredible influence on the environment. Incredible, more powerful than any device more powerful than any AI more powerful than anything ever is us holding clear intention, knowing our energetics understanding how to express ourselves creatively in alignment on all levels multi-dimensionally, and then going for it. I can’t stop it.

Art Giser:
If I can piggyback on that, I just do a lot of work in corporations on leadership and working with teams and groups. And one thing that I would do is, and I know you know this, but you never force energy on other people, but you can think of it like a dinner party, if you’re having a party of some kind, you set an environment. So it’s easy for people to have a good time, you don’t try to force them to have a good time. Well, when I would work with a team, whether it was 120 people or five people, I would work with the energy in the room. And I wouldn’t force anything on anybody, but often want to be working with a team people be angry and upset. So I’m just clearing the anger out of the room. And I would bring in energies of collaboration, creative problem-solving, and a lot of other useful energies. And in my mind, I would just talk to their spirit and go, you know, you don’t have to use these energies, but they’re here if you want them.

And people can be going from being really angry and upset, all of a sudden, they start collaborating, and nobody’s being forced to do anything. And in these kinds of techniques, they’re really easy. There’s, I mean, to me, the cosmic joke is they’re not hard because everybody has the superpowers, we all have the abilities. And I love working with people who kind of go, I don’t know if I can do it, and I go, let’s try something. You know, you know, this experience. But yeah, that’s when you realize that one of my teachers used to say when you really get that the energy field around you that you’re never in an empty space, you’re always in the energy environment, just like you’re in an atmosphere.

And when you realize you can start playing with that, and as long as you don’t force it on anybody, you can have this profound effect on people, where, again, often they can go from a lot of anger and upset to move towards some levels of collaboration, just by changing energy, again, without forcing it on anybody.

Tonya Dawn Recla:
I like to hold it as presenting another option, right? Because ultimately, our responsibilities quote unquote, Lightworkers change agents as leaders, and parents, right, are we shining a light on another alternative? And I would say at this stage of our development in terms of humanity at a global scale, leaders, parents, right, I don’t care who you have an influence on and we all influence someone. There’s a little bit of responsibility here because we can complain about what’s happening. And we can talk about how scared we are of what might happen.

And if we’re not willing in every moment to say, Okay, what am I expressing into this? Then we’re to blame. Like we’re complicit and complacent and like in every moment, this is what it’s going to take, what do we choose? And if we choose to continue to feed, things that make us miserable will create a world that keeps making us miserable. It’s literally like that literal, like, X’s and O’s like dots and dashes, ones and zeros. Like it’s just like, This is how it works, right? When we understand that and get over the insult that initially feels like a slap in the face. And they’re like, well, like at what am I done and all of the whatnot that occurs when we turn around and face ourselves. Let’s just get through that. And then what do we want to create using these principles that we know work, and we know how to work with them? And so that’s my encouragement for the moment of, of there’s a huge light, not just at the end of the tunnel, like it’s here, right now. Use it. And if you don’t know how to get to it, and the text techniques, the right art, this is the work that art does. So many people work in these spaces, to provide opportunities and techniques so that we can change our beingness, which changes everything. And so where can people go to find out more about you and your work?

Art Giser:
Well, a really good start. If they go to blockbuster3.com, they’ll get four videos where it takes them through some really simple, really powerful energetic and I’ll take NLP techniques to clear their energy space clear what that energies are hooked into, intend to connect more with their guidance from their spirit from the deep inner human wisdom. And to start being able to work with energetics and get one video a day for four days. They’re easy, they’re fun. I believe that when possible, spiritual work should be fun. So that’s why it’s easy. And one thing that makes it more unique is in these programs, there’s only a couple of roles for your conscious mind. One is you set your intention, you give permission to receive the benefits because often people set the intention, but they haven’t given permission to receive it. And then I teach them how to put their inner wisdom and spirit in charge. And then when they listen to the videos, the energy comes in and is guided by their own spirit. That’s the magic. So it’s easy, it’s fun, it’s life-changing. And it’s the car that resonates with you, make sure you get over there and check out the artwork, thank you so much for being a celebrated man of co-creation. We love that you joined us here. And we look forward to more conversations. And however, we can support your work in the room.

Art Giser:
I’m thrilled that you and your whole family are doing to make the world a better place and just an honor to be on your show.

Tonya Dawn Recla:
Thank you for that. That means a lot to us and those of you who are listening, we love you like thank you for this for having the courage to say I’m gonna listen to something else. Like I’m gonna do something else. Like maybe I can feel better in this moment, right? Something that says, oh, yeah, like I’m a big deal. And I’ve got all kinds of power and I kind of want to know how to work that because you know, we’re bored. Who can we blame? Right? We got all kinds of advanced courses going on here, folks, just ask the people playing them.

They’re always happy to share they’re always happy to talk about it. And when you’re ready to turn your lifetime journey into the journey of a lifetime get over to superpowerexperts.com and get started today because it’s a lot of fun to our point. And it is the thing you’ve been looking for. Right? You’re much bigger than you realize and we welcome your brilliance in the field. Thank you all for listening. Until next time, we love you and love each other.

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