Super Power Expert Tatiana Berindei

Executive Director Tonya Dawn Recla and Super Power Expert Tatiana Berindei join forces to tackle tough talk about self love. From body positivity to tapping into the connection of oneness, self love takes on many aspects within the journey of self discovery. Listen as they get real with the power that comes from loving yourself.

Tatiana Berindei spent many, many years at the feet of elders and teachers from different traditions around the world, serving them, sitting in ceremony with them, studying plant medicines with them, praying with them, and soaking up their wisdom. And now she shares that knowledge and experience with the Super Power NET and guides others to hone their super powers.

She is amazing in the body, love, all things yummy, gooey, feminine-y, and creative, and powerful in the feminine as well. Photo by Christopher Campbell on Unsplash

Hello, everybody. This is Tonya Dawn Recla, your Super Power Expert and I’m so excited to have with me today another Super Power

Expert, Tatiana Berindei who is magical. She is amazing in the body, love, all things yummy, gooey, feminine-y, and creative, and powerful in the feminine as well. I’m really excited to have her on the show. We’re talking today about self-love in the body. That’s a really powerful topic so I’m going to have her jump in here and say hello. Hi, Tatiana.

Hi, Tonya. Thanks for having me again on here.

Of course. We have such fun conversations.

Yeah.

We were talking earlier. It’s like, “Maybe we should be recording this. We’re brilliant and everybody wants to hear us.” Oh, goodness. We’re talking about self-love and the body and one of the things you and I agree upon, wholeheartedly is that the body piece, the embodiment piece, how we move energy through the body, we’re only really embarking on the magic of the body but I find that a lot of folks in their self-actualization, spiritual journeying, woo-woo magic or what not kind of get caught up in what is the body.

What is it, what isn’t it? Is it of divine source? Is it not of divine source? Is it totally an illusion and all these other things so I think the concept of self-love as it relates to the body is confusing for people.

You actually bring up a good point. I was having a conversation with a friend just the other day about her spiritual journey and she was in a more classical Indian context and a lot of the work was about transcending the body and yet it wasn’t jiving with what she was having direct experiences of in her life because I think when it comes down to it, a lot of our experience is through this physical body, is through our senses. That’s how we take in information and process it.

“Everything is energy and information”
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Someone who, after my brother died, was communicating with him said he came back and said, “Everything is energy and information from the other side.” That was his message. I felt that was really interesting and I think the body is our tool of how we interpret information and how we receive information, and process, and transmute it in this realm that we’re in here on planet Earth.

I think that’s the kicker. Maybe the conversation should start with something like, “What is the goal?” If your goal is enlightenment and transcendence then the body is a trap. It’s like a prison. It’s your own little version of hell, if you will from that angle. If your process or what you’re here for-

I want to challenge that for a second because I actually have had what could be called enlightenment experiences through my physical sensations and that’s the tantric path is enlightenment through the body.

I would contend that’s something different. In my opinion the second you throw the body into it, you’re basically saying here. The body is what allows us to operate in time and space in a specific construct. Of course everything gets really fuzzy because everyone uses terms differently but I think if we can be a little more abstract and go, “Either there’s this up and out idea or which is at death, the separation at death of the spirit and the body.” We can even argue if that’s a total separation or any of that stuff or I think what Super Power Experts exists in the world to embody and to show is that we chose to be here so if we’re going to take this snapshot of why here, why now, why in this way, that’s a much more like integrated conversation.

When we apply enlightenment, whatever the words might be, like the spiritual journey concepts to the embodiment integration job or service or worker contribution we’re here to do, I think that maybe where part of the confusion starts to come into play for folks. Does that make sense?

Totally. On a certain level, I heard you say we’re here and this comes up for me a lot with that idea or that conversation about transcending the body. It’s like, “If you really want to transcend the body, why did you come and inhabit one?”

Right. There’s merit in that too. Some people would claim that they come in to the body because there was a certain lesson they had to learn so that they could continue with the transcendence. Maybe the answer is it’s all of it. Maybe it’s all of it because depending on what experience that particular soul wants to have, it’s all available. Maybe what we’re leading up to is there’s merit in saying, “What is your goal?” I’m very clear. My goal is to do work here and that’s where all the verbiage of you, “Look, you climb up the mountain,” but then you got to walk down the other side of the mountain and do the work in the world. Maybe it’s just that not everyone sign on for that work.

Right. I think diversity of experience is definitely in place here and needs to be honored and acknowledged but I’m with you in that. What my goal here is to be here in the world and to beautify as much as possible.

Even as you said that part of me went too well, perhaps there’s diversity of experience or perhaps that represents different stages because I know that in my journey, I’ve experienced all of those. I often claim the fact that I was a certified Earth hater and body hater. I’m just like, “This is gross. It’s heavy, and it’s dense. I don’t want to be here and it stinks.” That was a part of my phase and at that moment when I was going through that part of my process, it was like, “Get me the hell out of here. I don’t want to be here. Why would I come here?” type of thing.

I’m not suggesting that that’s an arrested development state for everybody. It was for me. That was how I was using that phase. I don’t know. A lot of the work that I’m attracting these days are making variable claims that integrated work, is the work right now. Now, is that true for everybody or is that just what I’m attracting because that’s what I’m doing. You never know. Anyway, I think that that conversation could go on for eons.

Right. I love our conversations, Tonya. We always end up in places I never expect.

Let’s circle back to where we started the dialogue around self-love and the body and how do you tie those two things together?

I personally don’t believe you can be fully experiencing self-love if you’re not allowing yourself the sensations that the body offers and to really move through them and to enjoy them without attachment and without overindulging. I think there’s a real play that can happen with self-love through the body, with self-love of the body. I know as women, I’ve dealt with this myself a lot in my life of hating my body, hating the way it looks, hating the way I feel in my body and it’s hard to love your life, to love other people, to love your experience here on earth if you’re hating your body.

My body can run jump dance and make love.
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For me, it’s been a gradual process, it’s been a titrating process of going back and forth from experiences of total oneness and unity in love with all things and then back here in this human form of like, “Oh, I wish I had a little less of that jiggle going on in that place sometimes.” Really for me, the more that I can allow myself to enjoy what my physical body allows me to do not just enjoy taste, and flavors, and aromas. That’s a really wonderful piece too but my body can run, and jump, and dance, and make love, and all of these things that I’m here to experience and enjoying the full spectrum of it for me that’s what self-love through the body looks like.

I really appreciate what you’re talking about because it brings up all kinds of questions around how do we manage that and navigate that space when it’s not just about how we feel about our body but we’re talking about eons of programs, and stories, and collective conscious, and media. We could go on forever about how oppressed we are about our bodies but ultimately that doesn’t really serve anything. What we’re talking about is taking control of that and saying, “I get that I’ve got all this stuff stored in me and I get that I’m getting invaded with these messages and I get, and I get, and I get. I believe that there’s a way to move beyond that and what does that look like?”

Absolutely. It’s true that to stay there, it doesn’t serve. I think for some people, it serves as a part of the journey to … Some people aren’t even aware. There are a lot of women in our country that don’t know that, “Wow, nine million women were killed for being empowered women in the European historical lineage.” That’s a piece of information that might be a really important part of someone’s awakening journey as they’re going through that process and so to move through all of the things that that brings up in all of the places that one can feel that story in our cellular memory, I think can be a really important part of the journey but to stay there is not going to serve in the long run.

I want to jump in here because I mean, oh my gosh, there’s so much … I think we’re dangerously close to a dichotomy in our society around what it looks like to be truly empowered and I think we’re on the brink of really being able to move beyond the victim story 100%. It’s scary because it’s like … We’re seeing the resistance. You and I have talked about this and it’s super sophisticated resistance to that and it’s way over intellectualized and we can talk circles for days around … I don’t have another way to say it other than it’s hyper intellectualized.

The concepts of to stand in our power means that we have to fight and to stand in our power means that we have to be in opposition to and it’s pulling the layers off of that and saying that in of itself is a fear. How do we really illuminate that without falling into the trap of negating what’s come before or maybe that is the secret sauce actually is that you do have to negate what came before. I find myself often saying things like when you can stare something in the face and deny its existence, that’s when you know you’re ready to move into a completely new vibrational space. That was a lot of what not that just happened there but you see how all that ties together.

Yeah. For me, the word negating its existence, there’s something that doesn’t quite sit for me. For me, it’s being able to stare something in the face and almost see through it.

I like to be much more dramatic. If it’s not dramatic, I’m not really interested. That’s how I entertain myself.

You can see all of the facets of the machine working together.

I love you. Just being able to see the bold picture, see all of the … It’s almost like I get this image of time freezing and all of a sudden, all of the different components are coming apart and you can see all of the facets of how the machine is all working together and then dissolves in a certain way.

Like The Matrix.

Yeah, exactly.

It’s interesting you bring this up because there was a section and I was talking with Justin about it earlier this morning about some of the verbiage that’s utilized in The Course in Miracles is the difference between grievances versus miracles. The idea was that the miracles lie right behind the grievances but as long as we choose to grip the grievances, we can’t see it. That’s not language I would typically use but it really resonated. I talked about like, “Are you operating from a high frequency or low frequency?”

It’s just choice. We had an experience with Neva last night in that regard of, “What is going on?” and she’s like, “I have no idea.” It’s like, “Let’s just look at the options here. Are you in power enough within yourself to say in this moment, I’m choosing to love versus to be in fear of something?” I’m like, “Where did that fear happen?” It was a minute little itty-bitty trigger but when you look at all the overlays and the stories and will this upset me. It’s like, “I don’t think any of that is true but it’s those grievances that we grip with these white knuckles and that desire to be right and to prove something. At the end of the day, it’s fear. It’s these little pieces of us that are deathly afraid of what it would look like to just simply be in love in connection.

What you’re saying is actually bringing up something for me that’s related to what we’re talking about before we got on this call because I think there’s something about these states, these emotional states that when we can feel that just as energy in our body without the story attached to them, like fear, when you feel fear what happens, there’s certain physical things that are taking place in your body. I believe that if we can shift the mind to be focused in that moment on the physical experience, the physical experience gets to run its course. It’s like a weight.

It’s going to run through the body and then it’s done. If we can let that happen, there’s a freedom on that because we don’t have to be attached to whatever stories we then overlay on to that physical experience of the tingling in the chest and it running down the fingers and feeling your heart pounding faster and whatever. When you start to just say like, “What’s this physical experience that’s going on?” The story can be unraveled.

It’s so interesting because this really hits into some of the stuff that I was working on when I started. What appealed to me about the Super Power design work where we talked about how people receive intuition and what their predisposed super powers are and stuff was that was the beginning phases of me really grasping that that is exactly how I experience things. It felt for a long time that I was devoid of feelings. I’m like I don’t get them. They don’t make any sense to me but the sensory experience of emotional energy was very pure for me.

I could sense it in my body. Then I had nothing to do with it other than to overlay it with trying to understand it through using words that were tied into thoughts or feelings. I’m with you. It’s fascinating to me that we used the same word, feeling. Is it a sensory thing or is it an emotional thing and then emotional energy in of itself people are really starting to get clear about … When I say emotional energy, I mean it’s a sensory experience in the body and it’s like, “We need new words, folks.”

I laugh even as I say that because I think it was very purposeful on our part because it is the evolution of your comprehension of it. When I talk about love, I’m not talking about the feeling of love, I’m talking about the frequency of love. Same is true with emotional energy. I’m not talking about the emotions of emotional energy, whatever, however you want to describe it. The thinking about it, the story around it, it’s the frequency of it and really attuning ourselves to that.

For me it helps to make the separation between the story and then what’s happening in my body because they don’t have to be in tandem. They don’t have to be linked. I was sharing that experience with you of being cried and watching the tears move through feeling my body, heaving with sobs, hearing the sound coming out of my voice and there being absolutely no story of grief attached to it, just watching this energy move through my body and then it was done. It felt so good afterwards. I just let it through, let it come out and then it was complete and there was total space left behind.

That feels so beautiful as you’re saying it. We’re going to take a pause here and take a quick break. We’ve been talking to Tatiana Berindei about self-love and the body so stick with us because when we come back, I really want to dive in to how do we delineate between the concept of self-love meaning that you have to like everything about exactly where you sit right then. I think there’s a big misconception there. Stick with us, we’re be right back.

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Awesome. Thanks for coming back with us. You’re listening to Super Power podcast. We’re talking with Tatiana Berindei, one of our Super Power Experts. We’re talking about self-love in the body. As promised, I really want to ask you this question. I really want to is I guess I’m just going to ask you the question. I listen to a lot of people are going through this body, image process to say things like, “I’m supposed to love everything about me so I guess I love the fact that I have this extra fat in my arm and I love the fact that my second toe is so much longer than my first. You feel them struggling with it because it’s like, “No, they don’t really like that about themselves,” but they’re telling themselves they have to love that. Let’s really narrow down what are we talking about when we talk about self-love?

I love that you brought that aspect up. That was actually a huge part for me so when I have my daughter, I gained 75 pounds with her and I felt so disgusting in my own skin. I would look at myself in the mirror and just be like, “This is gross. I can’t … “ I had my friends around. They’re like, “You’re like this big beautiful goddess mama.” I’m like that that’s what you’re experiencing. That’s not my experience.

You’re like, “Thanks. What else can I do for you?”

Yeah. Thanks, I’m glad I can be your beautiful fat friend. That’s not working for me anymore.

I can’t listen to you right now. I can’t. I’m glad that I can be your beautiful fat friend.

I think some people like it makes them feel better to have someone who they can … I’m loving the fullness of your body therefore it makes me a better person because you’re a different form and I can love it.

Ultimately, they’re going, “Gosh, I’m glad I’m not like that.”

Yeah. Really, let’s get real here.

You can continue.

I was in this experience and I hated it. Finally, I got to a place where I was like, “You know what, I can sit here hating on myself or I can get up and start walking and moving my body the way it’s designed to move. That was doing something and I can start changing what I’m putting into my body instead of like, “Oh, I hate how fat I am. I’m going to eat some more cheese.” I can actually put something different into my body.

You’re killing me.

It was catalyzed by self-hatred but I got to a point where I was like, “Enough is enough. I’m not just going to sit here hating myself, I’m going to do something about it.” Sometimes that’s what self-love looks like. It looks like taking action to change what you don’t like instead that you can somehow be okay with what you don’t like and get to a place of liking it. I think there’s a part of the journey where you actually have to get disgusted and to be able to make the change you want to make. There are some things like if your toe is longer you can’t change that, right?

I don’t know. That may not be true.

Maybe you can.

What’s their names? The people who started Unity. What was her name? She did this whole like grew her leg two inches or something. What was her name?

I don’t know.

Oh goodness. You know what I’m talking about. Anyway, go on. So toes. We’re done talking about toes.

I don’t know. I got off on a little tangent there.

I’m still back on beautiful fat friend and eating cheese.

You might just hit a really important piece. Sometimes self-love looks like changing some things to really be honoring this beautiful temple that we’ve been gifted. For me, especially the woman’s body is such a sacred thing that we’ve been gifted this amazing body, this amazing body, this amazing wounds that become these portals for new life to come through. When you really stop to think about what the woman’s body can do, it’s mind-blowing. We are vessels for cosmic creation and that’s no small thing.

I would love to see more and more women just really honoring that about what this physical allows them to create really … The word, responsibility can be so waded and there’s all these guilt stuff that comes up in our culture when we use the word responsibility but I do think it’s a sacred responsibility that we’ve been given as women with these bodies and to honor them and to use them the way that they’ve been designed to be used. That’s really-

Let’s alter that and say it’s a sacred responsibility that we’ve chosen. If we abide by the understanding that we chose this, I was talking to somebody yesterday, I don’t remember now the context of the conversation but it was like I am very clear that I chose all of this packaging for a reason. It’s the culmination of so many variables and each one plays a significant role in the contribution I’m making here.

All the body image, body transference, body transmutation pieces I’ve worked through, all of the white, middle class, American that kind of model, educated, there’s all of these pieces, soldier, counterintelligence. All of it comes into play, mother, spouse. You can’t deny a single piece of it and I think that’s the beauty in really stepping into full on autonomy. It says I own the fact that I chose all of this. Now, I’m ready to figure out why.

I talk to so many people between the business consulting, that Justin and I do, the coaching on the other aspect of things. It’s this I don’t know why I’m here, and I don’t know why I’m here, and I don’t know why I’m here. It’s like here’s the deal. If you’re still saying, “I’m trying to figure out why I’m here, but I don’t really want to look at these other pieces or I really hate my body but why am I here?” It’s like those are all entwined in my opinion. Until you really done that work, you’re not going to know because there’s magic in all of those decisions.

There’s magic in those choices that you made but you first have to be willing to say, I made those choices. Maybe not you as small self human being you hear in this exact moment in time and space but you as the divine essence of who you are, what I’m calling by the way the super self because why not, that concept made those choices. Which aspect of you are going to identify with? The one that feels a victim to those choices or the one that is empowered to say, “I chose that.” That’s the work in my opinion that leads to or is in tandem with being able to really step into that true self-love space.

There’s something that’s coming up for me which I think is maybe a part of a different larger conversation but definitely the question arises when I hear you speak about this because on one level, I’m totally on board and then there’s this little voice in the back of my head, “What about all these hundreds and thousands of people who are starting and who don’t have access to clean water? How do we address that conversation with that reality?”

I think that the biggest challenge is one, I start from the basic premise of there are no victims in the spiritual realm. It’s easy to look here and see a picture and have all of our overlays on emotions and stores and everything else about what it means. I constantly ask is it possible that this means something else? I like to leave open space so that I don’t move automatically into judgment so we would assume that if people don’t have clean water, that’s bad, right?

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Now, it’s too fluffy to say, “They chose that.” That’s not a helpful a dialogue. What is helpful is remembering that the concept of oneness is one of the most powerful dialogues or one of the most powerful conversations we can have. First and foremost, refusing the smaller self-desire to separate and to say, “That’s not me. I’m over here, they’re over there,” and the smaller self-desire to enmesh in that. There’s this beautiful dance that can be done of like what’s the contribution to this?

It’s both the individual expression of it but also the, “Wait. What are we doing about this? If that is an aspect of me that is suffering, if we can be so bold just to overlay with suffering. What can I do about that?” Not from the let me do this thing so it makes me feel better about myself but that’s a piece of me that I need back in wholeness.

I think that feels so true and so right. I was at this amazing women’s embodiment retreat out in California called the HoneyRoot Festival just recently and there was an incredible workshop that I took part in that was … It was called Uncomfortable Grace and it was looking at how we embody oppression and what was fascinating was that essentially, through the course of this workshop, we were asked to embody all these really challenging things and the woman who was leading it was she had brown skin and she had us walking through the space and she said, “I’m going to make an impact now. I’m going to say something that’s going to have an impact and I want you to take on the physical form of how you feel when I say this that I’m afraid to have children because I don’t want to bring more brown babies into the world because of how I’ve been treated.”

She led us through this. We’re looking around at all of these bodies taking on this element of this feeling of how that felt in our body and then how it felt to be in a village who’s trees had been cut down and they had no water because of it and looking at the shape that we were in and through the course of this experience, we were led to connect with one another and to just really be … To see each other in the state that we were in without having to change it or fix it but just to really be present and be with one another in that aspect of suffering and then what was so beautiful was that is we started to help each other up off the ground and we were walking together.

We drew the map with our bodies.

What eventually happened without any direction or instruction, we self-organized into a circle. It was so powerful. It was like we drew the map with our bodies of how to move through what’s happening right now on Earth in all these various aspects. I can’t even put words to how profound and powerful it was but it was like drawing them out from all these different aspects of separation and suffering and into that experience of unity and oneness. It was amazing.

It’s like with everything. I always marvel at how things have unfolded and so I don’t talk a ton about my degrees and my bachelor’s in intercultural communication and my master’s in critical race theory but that played a really important role of me being able to see things the way that I see them now. I did a ton of training with large corporations in academia and stuff like that in the realm of diversity training but always from the space of inter group relations because that dialogue allowed for all social identities to be present and my argument was that in the majority of “diversity” trainings, it was always one group trying to educate the other about something.

If we don’t allow for the richness of experience and ultimately it’s easy to talk about privilege but if you abide by the concept of oneness and total responsibility about the choices that we made to be here, then it negates some of that victim kind of in … Let’s not say victim because that’s almost too trite and cliché at this point but maybe being on the receiving end of circumstances and the … There’s these real fine, fine, fine lines there.

Everything that you’re talking about is extremely beautiful and if not managed from a conversation of responsibility and wholeness of the individual, it quickly falls into all those poor people mentality. It’s like everything we’ve talked about the hero’s journey. You start off in this naïve, “Oh, the world is this great adventure,” and all that stuff. Then you go through all these trials and tribulations. You’re like, “Screw this. This sucks.” You’re all the way through it only to get to the end where you’re like, “Oh wow. The world is this amazing adventure.”

Same is true for conversations about, “Oh, we’re all one. We’re all the same.” It’s like the melting pot and all those really bad analogies that if you’re talking about them in ignorance like, “We’re all one,” it negates those experiences and the richness of the depth of the diversity that we all represent but what you find is then you separate everything out, “Oh my gosh. Look at what this group has gone through and look at what these people have experienced. Look at all this stuff and look at what I went through,” and da, da, da, da, da, da. It’s like we’re all different. My pain was worse than yours and that desire to one up each other on that only to traverse through all of that to get to the place where you’re like, “Yes. We are one.”

We are one. I know.

It’s from wisdom and experience in traversing versus ignorance and being naïve. You can’t explain that to somebody until they’ve gone through it because it sounds the same. As you’re explaining this experience, it would be easy for somebody to still feel as though they have traversed through their own stuff simply by going through that experience. You had a different experience with it because of the full package that you brought in to this world and the connections you’ve had and the growth that you’ve done.

You’re able to see it for the purity of the power that it wields when we gather bodies together and trust their innate wisdom and their combined wisdom and allow them to guide us into what comes next. That’s a whole different conversation of being like, “We can all come together and experience what it’s like to be oppressed.” It’s like, “No, but yes because that’s an assert of who we are. It does matter. The journey in that regard does matter.”

I think that’s true.

Like you and I have talked about, I think that as we’re moving stuff through the collective, we need to be able to identify with some of that stuff and move beyond it. My rule is always like as soon as you’ve mastered a process or a mentality, you’re done with it. What lies beyond it?

Yes. What’s next?

Mm-hmm (affirmative). It’s easy to get stuck in dialogues that affirm a certain aspect of your existence but that always becomes a crutch, always. That’s old dialogue. We’ve had these dialogues for a very long time. Just like what happened with the current election in the US. The conversations around women based on what transpired from the current election, it was like I step back and went, “Wait a second. This sounds oddly familiar. Haven’t we done this before?” It’s being able to go what does the dialogue still serve? Why do we continue to have it and is there a more evolved way perhaps to have it now.

You and I, I think this is a whole other topic but we’ve been talking about the whole concept of responsibility when it comes to women’s choices and how we are moving in our bodies and moving to the world. I think it’s a much larger conversation but I do think that there comes a point where exactly you were saying the victim piece needs to get put down and it’s like how long are you willing to sing that song before you …  My whole fat experience before you actually do something to change it.

Yeah, before you stop eating the cheese.

Right.

You said this is a whole separate conversation and it absolutely is and that is self-love. To be able to say, “Wait, does this continue to serve me? If yes, then okay keep doing it. If no, can I change it?” To me, the biggest part of that dialogue is saying nobody has to respect you. Nobody has to not ill-press you. Nobody has to grant you privileges. Nobody has to listen to you. Nobody has to and nobody will until you get to the place of, “Wait a second. I’m going to speak anyway. I’m going to say it anyway.” I think that it’s erroneous to make demands of people but rather to step into this space where it would be impossible for them not to respect that.

Exactly.

That’s’ a whole different conversation in my opinion.

That’s embodiment.

Look at that. Look at how we tied that back together so nicely. We know what we’re doing. We just put on a good show, folks. Trust me.

Maybe so.

That’s what happens when conversations are guided. It’s so magical to allow the information to unfold without trying to control it. I love the fact that it worked around back to that.

When we’re in that place of honoring and loving ourselves enough to not demand with words and with legislation but with our energetic presence in the way we show up, you can demand respect and command respect in a room just based on how you hold yourself and that is an entirely thing than being an energetic terrorist or shouting at the top of your lungs because no one is hearing you.

Right, which is really a fear-based concept anyway.

Some people, that’s an easier journey than others and I just want to name that and honor and respect that for some people that journey back into the body is not quite as easy because of the way that ourselves store information and some information is really maybe not information that we want to revisit. Some people want to stay outside of the body because of that and yet to really be able to fully claim yourself and really embody all that you came here to be. We have to be willing to be in these bodies and we have to be willing to feel through them, to be able to have that experience of commanding a presence and showing up the way we want to show up and being treated the way we wanted to be treated.

Absolutely. I do think that that adds another layer of subtle nuances and everything else to impact and it’s such an amazing conversation when you’re willing to go to the depths of it. Ultimately, I get exactly what you said, it’s challenging for some people to go into that embodiment space bit I will tell you that all efforts to control your external environment without doing that are for naught. It’s impossible.

I love Paul Selig’s books and the one I’m reading now is talking about if you’re not willing to see basically the divinity within yourself then … I’m bastardizing it but if you’re not willing to see the divinity within yourself, you won’t be able to have an impact or change or alter in any way the external environment. Actually, I don’t think that anywhere close to what they said but that’s what I took from it. I’m like, “Really? I don’t even think those were the words they used,” but that was how it resonated within me was like, “You have to do that step first and embodiment is a big part of that.” Let’s go really quickly into briefly tell folks what you’re doing over at Super Power Experts with regard to some of these yummy topics and responsibility of energy.

Reclaiming Your Sexual Self

I have a program that I run called Reclaiming Your Sexual Self. It’s particularly geared towards women who had children and this program is really specific and that I’m focusing on women with daughters because I find that to be such a powerful line working to align that way. It’s a six-week program that really helps women to get back into their bodies and often times birth can be a challenging experience for many and we can become … Our bodies change a lot through the process of carrying life.

There’s a lot of stuff that can come up and can make not only our experience with ourselves challenging but our experience with our partners, our experience with other people in our lives and so this program is really just helping women to get loving on themselves again and enjoy their bodies, enjoy their lives, enjoy their pleasure. It’s a six-week program that outlines tools and resources on how to do that and there’s a group that goes along with it so everyone who runs through that program, there’s a secret group within that that they get to be within community with one another shared experience that way, way to connect in between. We have weekly phone calls and weekly webinars that go along with that group. It’s really juicy, juicy program.

So beautiful. You got to listen to Tatiana on this call. It’s just magical the spaces that she takes people into. I’m very, very, very honor to journey beside you. If you want to find out more about Tatiana, you can go to superpowerexperts.com and go to the about page and click on her beautiful smiling face there and read more about her. She does magical stuff. That is a great place for you to go and connect in with really cool people doing different things.

That’s just one aspect of what we cover but it’s such a crucial aspect that resonates with you. I highly recommend. You take a peek at it. Very cool, Tatiana. I love these conversations and I’m excited to do many, many, many more with you so thank you so much for joining me today.

Thank you so much.

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