Hello, everyone! This is Tonya Dawn Recla, your Super Power Expert. And, I am very tickled today to have with me, Dr. Karen Osburn. Today, we’re going to be talking Power Talk with Dr. Karen. Here she is. I just want to take a minute though to paint the picture for you about this woman. She’s a powerhouse. And I know I’ve said that before, but what I love about her is the intersection of the really delicate balance of the masculine and feminine. And, she wears the feminine in such a unique way that I think is worthy of note. And so, it’s kind of being walked in the world of being able to speak it about power and speak about embodying that, and speak about wielding that. So, the way I see it is as she moves through the world. It’s like the power just kind of emanates off of her and she leaves a trail for others to follow which is an amazing gift to the world. And so, if you’re kind of digging around and kind of searching on, how do you do this, like how do you really stand in that? How do you be that kind of have this fuck all attitude and not give in to, you know, what other people think about you or use that to navigate your personal journey? I highly recommended that you listen to what Karen has to say about that because she is the presence of that and has some really good information to share about that. So, without further ado, please join me in welcoming Dr. Karen Osburn to the show. Welcome, Karen.
Thank you so much for having me on. That is the most interesting introduction I’ve ever had. Thank you so much.
Absolutely! It’s very cool. Well, let’s jump right in and ask you what are your superpowers.
I see what other people can’t see.
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My, I’ll tell you, my, well, two superpowers: number one is the ability to be able to connect; and, but, number two and most importantly, is to really be able to see what other people can’t see. And, you know, to me, it’s an obvious saying and it’s a lot of life experiences, and that’s a lot of stuff that’s happened to me. But, really, being able to see what others can’t see and witness in this conversation and preach at them telling about life just you know, others that can’t see their greatness. They can’t see their own superpowers. And so, yeah, a connection and be able to see what all those others can’t see for themselves.
Well, what I love about what you’re saying is you know, you and I really kind of connecting in that space. You know, for a period of time, I held the term of ego wrangler. And it’s like there’s no part little piece of somebody that I can’t alpha if you will, if need be when they’re not able to do that for themselves. And so, what I appreciate about what you’re talking about is not only the ability to see that in people, but also to be able to say, “You know, I know I’m going to fight you, for you. Like, I’m going to show you that piece I’m going to help you understand the amazing greatness that you are”. And, sometimes it means go into bath with some of those little ego pieces, you know. I like to break them into pieces because the ego itself is like that’s a but the thing to kind of go up again. But, to work with people and really help them see and then modeled for them. How they can do that within themselves? I think it’s such an amazingly valuable gift to the world.
How did you come into that space?
People ask me casually. They’ll ask in a different way. They’ll ask like, how to become a coach or how to become certified? How do you get like this? And it’s like, life! It’s not optional. I have one word for that, life. Right?
It is the planet. Like it’s an experience and you’re proud. You know, I think for me, Tonya, I was kind of, felt this feeling that I was designed for something bigger and I almost say you’d see I kind of like, who’s talking slowly because I speak really quickly when I communicate, but because it almost it seems kind of funny to me even when I save that off, you know, sort of huge ego so it can be seen as like an ego thing. But, I truly remember a moment like in my late twenties and being asked this: I’m a former chiropractor. My husband retired from practice about a year ago. And, I remember being at a Chiropractic seminar, an intensive one in Colorado. When I was in school for six days, it was very kind of like, landmarkish, like long hours and stuff, like roll and sharing and crying, like, all this stuff. And, I truly remember being called on the microphone by the gentleman who was the kind of person leading the seminar and being like, “what’s up?” And I’m like, I’m so afraid of my power. Like, it felt like this for me in my early years, like this kind of unbridled. I don’t know what this is. And then, it you know, it didn’t, you know, finish school, was in chiropractor practice for fourteen to fifteen years, loved practice and then started to get, you know, a couple of years before we decided without a practice for many different reasons. There was more of just again that like feeling of, like, I feel like there’s a difference, there’s a message I’m supposed to be speaking. There’s something else I’m supposed to be doing. The chiropractor was wonderful, great. Thankful for the experience. Thankful for patients. It was never something I ever went on to dip my toe in the water and see if this chiropractic thing fancy. Like, it was in eight years in my life, a hundred thousand dollars in education, like, it was like, this is my life now. I’m a chiropractor. And so, when I started to kind of really, you know, listen because I believe I’ve really known it for a long period of time, I’ve really been like, we’ve been taking pre-shared to first development stuff, some spring about Tony Robbins or like he was the first for me. I read all those books. It was like marriage tried the tapes like, you know, this has been part of my role for a long period of time for several decades. But, I think a lot of the stuff that I speak of now has really been over the last, like, five years. And, again, it comes back to them, like, it’s a life experience. You know, my, I almost lost my husband in emergency surgery. My husband has Crohn’s disease. We went through infertility and further became parents through adoption. You know, and I mean, I can go on and on being kind of like stuff that’s half of my life which we all have. But I think the difference for me is I’ve realized the gifts and all those and I’ve been able to utilize those. And so, when I look back about not being able to conceive of my own, I say, “Thank you.” I take a look at my husband’s experience still with the emergency surgery and all of that. You know, we both say, “thank you for those experiences.” I really feel it’s been a lot of things in life and I’ve been able to draw on. And, the time that I was a chiropractor, I mean, gosh, I talk all day long. I spoke and spoke and spoke and Tom spoke and, you know, lead and all of that. And so, you know, it’s all been a lot of training ground leading up to this.
Well, and I think one of the real key points of what you said was the idea of that you were afraid of your power. And it’s, yes, you see a lot of people in that space that, it then that was part of my journey as well because in the beginning, it was like I didn’t I did it wasn’t found, it Like I didn’t couldn’t have place to a strong foundation to come from and so it just kind of got thrown all about, you know, and causing damage and it didn’t feel good when I, you know maybe overstepped bounds or hurt people’s feelings or what like. I felt like I was constantly having to adjust fire and be like, “oh that was too far. I hurt someone’s feelings. I remember lying awake at night when I was young going through the conversation in my mind like just crosschecking and self-editing and being like did I say the wrong thing? Did I hurt someone’s feelings? I’ve disclosed that like even before the whole counterintelligence like spy thing, it was like, oh my gosh, did I do not say that it was like trying to analyze my mind and it wasn’t until I really did some deep inner work in journeying on my own and kind of my own little version into the feminine energy where that was a solid foundation. And lo and behold, those that power that real intense extreme power kind of starting to come back online. But now, I was able to wield it from a solid foundation and it made all the difference. I see a lot of folks who’ve done some personal development work to be very fearful, especially women of bringing that power back online after they’ve done some deep inner journey because they remember what times are they had it or used it and it wasn’t it didn’t go well. You know, like they are. People do it because it’s, you know, for some of us, we wield highly, highly, highly destructive energy and we’re gifted with that because some things need to be destroyed. You know, there are some things that need to be kind of up ended and thrown about it. You know, I think of in imagery some of the goddesses of destruction like the Hindu goddess of destruction, Kali, and you’ve got Pele and Oya and others that it’s like, that’s been kind of this mysterious like aspect of woman of feminine that you know we kind of like, let’s just not pay attention to that you know. But, what I’m seeing now is when we feel that in a powerful and intrinsically powerful way, it’s hugely beneficial to the world. And, you know, I know that you got the chance to meet our daughter, Neva, and she has a lot of that in her. And so, helping her navigate that space of wielding power in a high frequency. I love being generous, Like, I love that you talk about gratitude also like beaming gratitude for the experiences. And I think is part of being able to wield power well. It’s kind of like the Spider-Man quote, you know, “with great power comes great responsibility.” And that super power actress we talk a lot about that, like your superpowers will not come online with any degree of reliability until you’ve agreed to use his powers for good. And that’s a constant moment to moment choice in my opinion.
And I and I love that the story that you shared really highlights that.
And, I think, it’s, you know, is a bigger piece too for me is understanding who you are. Like, really understanding who you are. Right? And yes, a lot of that work. Yes a lot of the deep work. Yes, a lot of the life experiences is just like what the hell is going on? And why is this happening? And it’s just understanding and accepting because yeah, you’re right this woman is very much kind of a frowned upon thing to be this like, powerful, fierce, like they’ll be certain you know people in different times, in pop culture and in politics and music and are all that kind of stuff or will go, “Oh yeah, look at that! Look at Madonna! Look at Beyonce! Look at that kind of thing.” But, for the most part for us, kind of like, “regular folk” to shop that way is you know, it’s, you the bitch and you’re just being like a dude and you know. But I think it’s it’s a lot of just when you understand who you are and just really like, like literally probably a couple years ago. Tonya, I am intense. I am aggressive and I am like, energy. I do have this really kind of very strong what I call masculine I don’t really see it that way but someone to find that way. But this is who I am. And it is. I think when you really, really come to that plate of like I’m going to love who I am. I can still want to become someone more or someone better or a different version of who I am, going when you really start to accept that and you show up in your life in all areas of life as who you are. The way that I describe it, Tonya, is like you’re like this magnet. You’re like this and not only people like, “whoa! Like, they can feel that, right?” They can feel that from you and it’s not bullshit and it’s not posturing and it’s, it’s very different than the way that most people show up in the world. And for me, like the ultimate piece of it is like, freedom. Freedom from that of just being like an authentic I tended to not feel that were authentic and use so much but you authentically are who you are. And I love the grounding part for me. People go well, how do you sign? And he said like well I know who I am and I’m clear on what I want. Why? So the decisions on things are actually quite simple. The hard part is getting to that is getting to the who when what you actually watch.
So beautiful. Well, you’ve been listening with us we’ve been having power talk with Dr. Karen Osburn here in the Super Power Up! podcast we’re going to take a short break and then when we come back. We’re talk with Dr. Karen about some really cool ways you can start implementing this in your life. So stay tuned and we’ll be right back.
Hello! Hello, you’re back with Power Talk with Dr. Karen Osburn on the SuperPower Up! podcast. And Karen, I really want to get at, you know, some of the things that you shared before we went to a quick break. What was the idea of really that authenticity piece? And you said you know my absolute favorite word at all times is freedom. And one of the side benefits I think, or maybe even, we could say the ultimate goal of doing this work is that total, I call it autonomy or sovereignty like that. The piece of us that is not bound by external factors. And I saw one of your posts here recently about, you know, on Facebook about use of the word “fuck” and like, you know, inviting people, and gently inviting people to block you or unfriend you if they weren’t interested in that dialogue. And I loved your approach with that it’s like look this is who I am. This is what I’m showing up. As you have all these options in the world like kindly go somewhere else like really truly you don’t need to engage. And I, noticed in that post that you were that you kind of called out the social media sphere in the sense of like it’s this amazing enclave for us to join together and connect and share information and even disagree and kind of and kind of go through that. But, at the same time there seems to be this natural byproduct that happens of a spectator sport kind of concept. So, how can people navigate? I know, I know a lot of people come out like you’re trying to find their message in their voice and everything else. One of the biggest fears is that sort of criticism. What advice do you have for people on how to navigate that space?
Expect the trolls.
Such a great question. I think that number one is expected. Like, expect that there’s going to be the trolls. Expect them. Great! Because, I mean, that’s why I really think people like, so saying, so if, it’s my kids sleep through the night, they’re like, “oh you’re new at this!” Aren’t all the same questions like, it’s just going to hit the fan on a daily basis. That’s called being a parent, right? I think, when you think, this is, I mean, what I’ve shared before the break, it’s like, when you show up, when you are you’re very different. You are this anomaly that some people will be really attracted to and they’re fascinated and they’re just like, “oh my god! I’m like, tell me more! Like, whatever you say. Like, I’m just, I just want to consume everything, right? And there’ll be some, when you show up that way which, you know, can be polarizing that are just like, “oh my God! Like, you were awful, right?” Like, you’re a terrible person. You said the word fuck. You’re this, you’re that of all these beliefs about it. And there’ll be some other kind of like, “Nah!” Like, they don’t really care either way. And so, I think if you show up who truthfully are, like, truly who you are, that you need t expect that you’re going to have some of that stuff. And so you get to your question is like how do you navigate it, right? I think, if you’re think if you’re really clear on again on who you are, you’re really clear on what you want. And you really know why. Well, I’m not was like, the deep Why? The one that really moves you and emotes you. And so for me, why I put myself out there? And it’s not easy at first. I mean, I start doing this stuff for about you know, five years ago. The first time I wrote that first blog post was like, horrible push published. I’m like, who’s going to read this? Like nobody, three people. Terrible!
Tear it!
I mean, you know, I think depending on your life experience and the things that you’ve done, it’s going to be almost like, like layers on an onion, right? Like you’re kind of like, there’s like this peeling off process to become more of who you are. And so, you know, when people see me and made me and they always said me you doing your own podcast. You’re like in your posts. I’m like, “yeah! because it’s me, like it’s hot and I, right? But I think what it’s taken me a process to get to that state. First, I think, they get back to that question of like, how to navigate? Number one, expect that some people are going to show up and just they’re going to, there are going to be trolls. There are going to be assholes. There are going to be this. That’s their stuff. But, number two if you’re really clear on who you are and what you truly want. And I think, number three is to know clearly and clearly my intention behind your message. You don’t have to even know what that message is.You can just simply start executing and this ship is going say let’s just search shit or just are doing things that are going on here.
That you know you’ll begin to find your message and then you’ll begin to learn like how to really communicate that. But you know, it’s going to take some time for that and I don’t think everybody can come out the gate and just be like, here so I am like round it off and just be like. Expose them. I was right if you will and be naked with it. I think for some, they have to go on baby steps and that’s okay. So yeah, they’re going to be there are the trolls. You know, understand who you are and your intention behind it. If your intention is anything that’s like, “what’s in this for me?” or you know, something that’s almost funny to say the word like negative, Tonya, like, you just want to bitch and complain and whine and point fingers and all that kind of stuff. Nobody wants to hear about that. Right? Like, that’s already going on a line. So what’s going to make you stand out? You know, what are the lessons that you see? Even if you’re in a shitty experience, what’s the what’s the lesson that you can see? That someone reading is going to get value from that? Or someone watching your video is going to go. They don’t even have to be in the same experience. But there’s something that they’ve seen that I love that.
And I think that goes back to the idea like if it’s bigger than you you know I think that sometimes that motivation helps get you through some of those moments. And, I agree with you completely like if you’re doing it because you think it says something about you or your self-worth or your self value, you’ll get destroyed every time like you’re going to get batted around in. And sometimes we have to do it to work through those pieces of being awareness of the fact that if you haven’t truly grasped onto this aspect that’s bigger than you, then it doesn’t work. A great example, you know, we would be remiss not to kind of talk about the fact that you and I met at the Meltdown in the Desert of that. And it was such an amazing experience. And you know and even I recently did a whole show about it on, you know, what she learned from it. And but that’s something that I even talk with her about before going into events and stuff is that if you’re not clear on your passion around this, if you don’t know why you’re doing this, you’ll get eaten alive. Like, like she’s already dealt with criticism. She had it you know, she asked that to you during one of the questions on the women’s panel that you were a part of was you know she got some really deep criticism about her business hot clothes for kids. Because people have strong feelings about I think, at the time she was a 5 year old doing fashion reviews and saying whether or not that is hot or not but she was pretty intent on that. That was an accident she was going to have and in what was so neat about that is that having that is the experience. Now, she gets at a deep level that if you’re not clear that you know some sort of a grandiose like you’re here to change the world type of concept like what greater good does cause you’re doing this serve than you? It’s so difficult I think to navigate the criticism space and the feedback space and everything else. And you’re not being honest with yourself about why you’re doing it. I think is the biggest thing that I see and so I appreciate, I appreciate that advice. So folks you know expect the trolls. You know I think that that’s the best way you know brace yourself for it and eventually it ceases to have the triggering aspect. It ceases to feel like your world is coming to an end. But, but I don’t, I’m with you like I don’t see any other way other than walking through that gauntlet. You know, I tell people like you’re not going to go around. You can’t go over you can’t go under it like you might as well just run through it. Take your head. Take your bruises and when you get to the other side, you’re going to be able to look back and say you know maybe it wasn’t as disastrous as you thought it was going to be. You know you survived, And always in retrospect, you know you can see the gift in it. So I think that’s phenomenal advice.Well, where can people go to find out more about you?
Yeah, best place would be my website which is my name, drkarenosburn.com. And they can get information about my podcast which is called Woman Wanting More on iTunes. They can get information about my coaching and they can watch a video of me.
So, yeah, it’s all over there at drkarenosburn.com. Very cool. And then, I feel like there’s some final words that you’d like to share that maybe are coming up. Is there anything in particular you wanted to kind of close this out with?
I love that. Yes, the message is this. The message is you can listen to this message or any other messages that you listen to online. And there’s two choices: there’s to be content with the insight which is to hear something go yeah that’s so cool and that’s awesome and what melted the desert. Go to an experience like that and say Let me just have all these notes which I do jack shit with, right?. And and that’s fine. And that would be one way to run that. The second thing would be to actually take action and the thing is that that you hear that moves you. And I would really encourage everyone who’s listening is to take door number two, right? If it’s my message or another message you hear today or the next week is that your life as cheesy as this sounds so much shorter than you think. And to me as soon as I flipped a switch on like, I’m going to make every moment count and like truly mean it. And so people say to me things like Oh are you doing something like to kill time. I’m like What is that? like my face like I’m like yeah it’s like I am thankful for the life I have. You better believe I’m going to take that like like a wet rag and just ring everything out of it. That means shady stuff that means, amazing stuff that means bliss that means oh my god I never saw life that way before. But really again, you can either take us as inside or you can actually do something about it. And I encourage you to do it again. Door number two.
Well, I mean you mentioned it earlier like maybe you don’t know exactly what you’re going to do. Do it anyway. Take action.
I remember really quickly when I was doing surveillance, I was so bad at surveillance and by the chief of our surveillance team, at one point, came up to me because at that time, I was still really in my head. You know, it’s like I had no nose to do and I had to be perfect I did. And he looked and he was seriously and he does do something like, “I don’t care if it’s wrong.” Take action! Like, that you know because I would stand there like he was a psycho psycho like trying to figure out the strategic positioning and everything else. And I’ve always remembered that, as I say, I don’t care if it’s wrong. Just do something. Get at it. And, I find myself often giving that advice. You know you don’t have to know. You don’t have to be perfect to learn so much along the way.
Yeah. So I love the idea take option two. Like it’s open door number two. Like in noisily somewhere magical. As long as you’re open to the journey you know think that’s beautiful. I can’t thank you enough for coming on the show. I really appreciate the conversation. I never appreciated you since since we connected in person and I really encourage all of you listening to you know check out what Karen is doing and really take take to heart of all of the information that she shared. Excuse me that she’s sharing. And then do something with it. So, thank you, Karen for joining us today.
Thank you so much. It’s been an honor. I really appreciate you. Thank you, Tonya.
Absolutely and we appreciate the work that you’re doing in the world. and to all of you out there as always we appreciate your loyalty. So until next time, go out, uncover your super powers and change the world. Take care everyone.
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