Sex and Sensuality
Do you believe that sex and sensuality are two inseparable things? Host Tonya Dawn and Justin Recla continue where they left off in the last episode by discussing two more levels of connection. The conversation revolves around the space of intimacy, and step ten is indicated in the Think and Grow Rich book, “Riches is Sex Transmutation.” It means that sex goes far beyond the act itself, beyond being sexual. Tune in to understand the process of drawing closer to the Divine and delve into the realms of commitment towards oneness in sex and sensuality.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
Hello everyone and welcome back to The Apple Flavored Pomegranate. We’re so glad to have you here with us. Well, today’s topic is a little hot and juicy.
Justin Recla:
Fresh off the grill, folks.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
This is, yes, indeed, sex and sensuality.
Justin Recla:
We got here to this conversation a little faster than we thought we were going to.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
Yeah. We just dove right in. There’s no more teasing. Let’s just get down to the nitty-gritty. Well, in the last episode, we talked about the levels of connection and alluded to the fact that there are two more levels that we were going to talk about when it comes to intimacy, and so we are going to touch on those today because I don’t know. I mean, I don’t know about the rest of you, but I absolutely read Think and Grow Rich, and that’s not a coincidence that step 10 to riches is sex transmutation. Now, what does that mean, right? Does that mean that you have to join a sex cult or there’s some sort of ritual or worship or what. I don’t know. I mean, I guess you could do all that, but really truly, we’re just two people kind of fumbling through this together, playing with energetics, being willing to have conversations, and inviting the divine into our most vulnerable and intimate spaces so that we can better understand each other, draw closer together, draw closer to the divine, and we’re having a lot of fun doing it.
I’m sure there are a lot of real formal things that you can do in this work, and a lot of people spent years and years and years studying it. If that calls to your heart, then certainly look into that. For us, we use it deliberately as a practice of drawing closer. How close can we get, right, as we’ve shared in our vows, was this commitment to walk closer toward oneness together, right? So, we endeavor to merge essentially, energetically, physically in different ways, in different spaces, in-
Justin Recla:
Or in ways that go far beyond just sex, just far beyond the act. It’s not intimacy. It’s not just sexual. It’s at the layers upon layers. I mean, like literally think at the soul level of connection and the intimacy is like where I see you, I know you.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
You two become one. You kind of do this merging thing. You kind of dance. It’s not a mystery. It just takes a little bit of effort and real motivation, I think, to do this work together. Again, we’re informally going through the process, and we’re happy to share with you what we’ve learned along the way. So, when we talk about the difference between the layer, sexual layer at this stage, they’re not really levels, and truly none of them are levels, but especially in this space, I think it’s important to sort of let off of that construct and let it be a lot more fluid because it gives us permission to play with them in all different ways.
Essentially, the way we break it down is sexual has a goal, and sensual is its own goal, right? That’s just a great way to frame it. One isn’t better than the other. One isn’t more spiritual than the other. One doesn’t get you to heaven faster, or both are bad, or what if you really, really want them, or what if you don’t want them, or should I want one more than the other? But I’m a woman. Shouldn’t I want this? I’m the man. Shouldn’t I want this? Or whatever, however you identify, part of the conversation here is recognizing that at least, from our experience, we’ve learned how fluid those energetics can be.
It’s like, yes, different body parts kind of operate differently, and you get to figure all that out with whoever you’re figuring those things out with, but the energetics are so fluid in the midst of this that it’s undeniable that so much more is going on than just what we have on the surface. That’s what this conversation’s all about.
Justin Recla:
Well, and I think, I know some of you might be going, “Well, does that mean that if I’m sensual that I don’t get to be sexual?” No.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
There’s both and.
Justin Recla:
There’s both and the quickest way to get to the final outcome you’re wanting from the sexual place-
Tonya Dawn Recla:
Stop. They have to wait. They have to come back after the break.
Justin Recla:
They have to wait after the break. Yes.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
Yes. So, make sure you’re joining us here.
Justin Recla:
Yeah.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
We got so caught up. See, you start talking about sex and sensuality.
Anyway, moving on, moving on I’m the one that’s supposed to be on track here, and you are drawing us up. No. Okay. It’s both of us. All right. He’s going to share a poem before we go to break.
Justin Recla:
Again. This is from Love Her Wild by Atticus.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
That’s a favorite of yours.
Justin Recla:
I think this one’s extremely, extremely pertinent to the conversation today.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
I think he’s going to try to make me blush again.
Justin Recla:
She tore poems from my flesh in fights, in love. and sex.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
All right. I’m going to need a moment. When we come back from the break, we’re going to-
Justin Recla:
That was a quick end.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
Think of other stuff and topic of sex and sensuality. Join us in our community, folks. This is where we’re talking about this in our connection group. We have a couple’s connection group there. Come take a look at our coupling intensive if you feel drawn into this crazy conversation.
Justin Recla:
Look at that. She’s still blushing, guys.
Tonya Dawn Recla:
And you want to draw closer to your partner. Anyway, we’re going to go on a break, and we’ll be right back.
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