Perry Marshall and Tonya Dawn Recla Quantify Quantum

Tonya Dawn Recla: 

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to The Science of Superpowers. So glad to have you joining us again, I have back on the show, Perry Marshall. Perry needs no introduction to the Superpower Network. He’s a favorite here. You can go back and listen to past episodes. We’ll have those links for you. Perry, thank you so much for being here again with us. It’s a joy. 

Perry Marshall:

Thanks, Tonya. 

Tonya Dawn Recla: 

So glad to have you here. And we’ve and so we’re starting off here, this is all part of our celebration of the men of co-creation, and Perry definitely qualifies. The Superpower Network celebrates the men of co-creation, men who have dedicated their existence to the pursuit of something beyond themselves in areas like science, business, medicine, personal development, religion, family relationship, and many others. 

These men have stepped up and said yes to co-creating a world that aims to inspire all of us. Thank you for modeling an admirable character and honorable pursuits. We love you and love each other. Perry, thank you for being part of this, as I’ve had you on the show numerous times, your heart, your soul, you wear it on your sleeve, you’ve dedicated your existence to just showing us that we’re better than we think we are most of the time that we’re capable of bigger things that that so much of what drives you right in the little bit that we’ve gotten to know each other here on the show, is in that section. And so you were an immediate person that came to mind as we started crafting this feature.

I’m recording this today. It’s March 21. It’s due April 1, I have to have it turned in and then it’s gonna go through peer review. And I am sowing the parachute on the way down, writing a peer-reviewed science paper in two and a half months on a subject that you don’t even feel like you adequately understand is hard. But I’ve done a lot of other things before where I had to sew this parachute on the way down. And so I said, I think I’m supposed to do this. And it’s really a faith journey. And, and I am going to wade through the many many interpretations of quantum mechanics and I’m going to apply this to what I know I’m going to come to as an outsider.

Not I mean, I’m not a physicist. I’m not in that profession normally. And I’m gonna see if I can find better answers to some really old questions than what other people are coming up with. And so here I am, and I hired some people on the show who will know.

This site is Upwork where you can hire graphic designers and programmers and copywriters, and all kinds of people like that. Well, most people don’t know, you can hire scientists too. And I hired seven physicists. And I sent them all the stuff. And I said, shoot holes in this and help me straighten it out. And we’ve been going back and forth, and I eliminated about four or five of them. And now I’ve got two or three that I’m left with. And we’re just almost like duking it out, like in a very friendly way. But iron sharpens iron, and we don’t all agree, and why would we, it’s a very complex topic. And so here, I don’t know that it’s going to make it through peer review, I can’t guarantee it’s gonna get published. But I’m willing to do it every day after I do what I call Renaissance time, which is my meditation, prayer focus, you know, get my head in the right space-time in the morning. This is my first top higher priority project, I do it every day, six days a week. And then I do my other stuff, and I have its big rocks first. And I have learned that whatever the most important thing is if I honor that most important thing, all the other stuff falls into place. And I got a lot going on. But, this is exciting. And I, I, I sort of know, in my inner knower that I’m, I’m gonna thread the needle,

I’m going to figure it out, and I still have stuff, we only got 11 days to go, and I still have stuff I haven’t figured out. But that’s okay. And here you are in an interview talking with us, right? And so you are literally a gifted guest right now for this concept of co-creation, because you’re embodying it, you’re modeling, you’re showing the aptitude to say, this makes me a little uncomfortable. But you know, all the good stuff does, right? The walks of faith, right? All the good walks are right, it’s like, it’s like, you get to a point in your life where it’s like I’ve done that, or somebody has, and it’s like, that doesn’t thrill me, what thrills me is seeing what we’re capable of, what can we where can we push the envelope and the fact that you’re able to come together, say, I don’t know everything. In fact, I don’t know much about this in particular. And I’m willing to sit and talk with others in a co-creative space, allowing for whatever to emerge that’s going to emerge, to come forward. And that is literally the definition of co-creation, where two or more of you gather there also will I be, and there’s this exponential component because the creation itself is the relationship that we all share, right? And when we understand that we truly are capable of anything, if we’re willing to open ourselves up, right? So Perry had some really, really crucial things. And they’re not just about how he goes about this, how he goes about his life, how he views himself, right? How he approaches problems, how he handles his own discomfort, he gave it all away, folks, he has done the internal mapping to say, Okay, I know how I’m going to respond, I know what I’m going to do, I know how to put the things in place, I know how to be successful. And I have enough cellular confidence in my system that says, if this, then this, this is that predictability that happens when you harness your creative energy in an intentional fashion, and channel it, like he just got done saying, and you get this kind of almost myopic vision, where it’s like the stuff happens, right? If you learn to program your stuff yourself, well, folk, your avatar can kind of existence, it can survive, survival sort of happens on its own. It’s sort of a gimme, if we let it be, then you get to live, right? Then you get to create and so there’s a wealth of stuff in there, and not the least of which was the idea that you’re also going to try to quantify quantum-like, I’m on top of everything else. And not to mention the process that we just outlined the developmental journey you’ve been through, but now you’re going to tackle a topic that everybody talks about, like, like, we all know what we’re talking about, but none of us know what we’re talking about. None of us really understand it. And it’s not very useful, other than to say there’s a whole lot we don’t know. Right? Which isn’t that kind of how you and I got started talking about creation and evolution, right? We talk about these concepts that we believe we build lives on top of these concepts, we build worlds, we build definitions of self, we build countries, we build ideologies, and everything gets built on top of what we believe about ourselves and our relationship to creation. And when we don’t stop to question that right I shared with you then that one of my biggest eye-opening experiences was to realize I carry a contradiction inside of myself that I believe in both creation and evolution wholeheartedly.

And the world’s telling me I can’t write it’s like, how can you not like literally evolution is a natural byproduct of creation. If you understand he ended. So it makes every kind of sense, right? And so here you are looking at these concepts, looking at yourself, that is a man of co-creation. So thank you for the moment to shine that light. And let’s say, so what do we do with this? Right? You disagree in those spaces, right? How do you actually, you know, some people listening are going, my head’s gonna explode, right? He’s got all these things going on, right? Keep in. Keep in mind, folks, he takes the time out of his Renaissance time, right? We call it PMCS. Right from the military, but we use prayer, meditation, stillness, and contemplation. You better be connected to the field, folks. And you better know how otherwise something else is running you for sure. Right? Yes. So how do you take something? That’s a hot mess, right? But you can see this thread?

Tonya Dawn Recla: 

How do you do that? In the midst of it when it’s staticky? When it’s friction, right? How do you sit in that?

Perry Marshall:

So I think the starting point of all of these things is you ask what is true. And whatever you think might be true, you need to be willing to put on an anvil and invite other people to smash it as hard as they can. And this is very, very hard for some people to do. There’s a song by Rush where one of the lyrics is, your illusions are painfully shattered, right where discovery starts.

And I’ve always believed the saying, by Jesus, the truth will set you free. And I think it’s generally true, it’s not just true in a religious context, I think it’s true, true. And so, like what I’m doing with this right now, and this applies to anybody, like, if let’s say that you just got diagnosed with cancer, this applies to you, let’s say you just broke up with your partner, this applies to you, let’s say that you’re starting a new company, this applies to you. You say whatever you think is the case. And you say, Well, how would I prove this wrong? Or how would I prove that part of this is wrong? How would I find out that the rest of it is true? Like, how would I separate the wheat from the chaff? And whatever that is, then you invite other people to look at it? And the way I do it is like in this project? Well, if I hire people with 10, more years, 20 more years experience in education in this subject than I have.

Tonya Dawn Recla: 

And I say, shoot holes in this. And they do and I go, but wait a minute, you forgot to consider x.

Perry Marshall:

If I can’t push back and convince them, then I’m probably wrong. And if I pushed back in there late, well, actually para you are right about that. Or in and sometimes they do like sometimes I found something they didn’t find, usually because I was an outsider. Right? And, I wasn’t invested in any particular view. And I went, maybe I took the scenic route. And I collected these other things, or I know things from other fields. And so I know a counterexample that they didn’t really think of.

Tonya Dawn Recla: 

And by the way, outsiders are where all the innovations come from. Bill Gates was an outsider in the computer industry. Steve Jobs was an outsider and Larry and Sergey were outsiders. And Fred Smith, who started FedEx was an outsider, Charles Darwin was an outsider and Albert Einstein was an outsider. And the guys that started Uber were an outsider and Elon Musk, was definitely an outsider. Was he from the automotive industry? No. Was he from the space industry? No. And industry innovations almost never come from the inside.

Perry Marshall:

And so what I’ve done most of my career is I’ve brought the outsiders an advantage. Well, I don’t know as much about you as you guys do. But I’m more curious than you are. And I’ve investigated more things. And like, you know, you look around in my I get so many crazy kinds of books about so many subjects, and I just love to learn and love to explore. If I know something from evolutionary biology that applies to physics. The physicist probably doesn’t know about it. And that’s it. If butcher Baker candlestick maker, if you’re a candlestick maker, you know, stuff that butchers don’t know. And you you know, stuff that bakers don’t know.

And that’s the great thing about being self-taught. And the other thing about being self-taught is it doesn’t kill your curiosity.

Tonya Dawn Recla: 

I love that we’re gonna take a quick break, folks, Perry. When we come back, we’re gonna dive back into this conversation before we go. Where can people go to find out more about you?

Perry Marshall:

Go to perrymarshall.info and you can jump off to any one of a dozen different projects. Let’s go to perrymarshall.info you’ll find my business stuff, my science and other stuff.

Tonya Dawn Recla: 

Very beautiful before we go to the break, folks or as we’re at the break, be thinking about these things at pairs bringing up right, he’s bringing up a lot of great nuggets like be willing to go into spaces where you’re not the norm, right things that are not are new to you be willing to say hey, I kind of see this differently, or I’d be willing to hear that from others. Those are all really great tips, tips, focus on those. We’re gonna be right back after the break. Make sure you’re always getting over to superpower experts.com. We have new information there all the time to get started on your journey of making your lifetime journey, the journey of a lifetime. We will be right back after the break, folks.

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